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Teh_Troll Ex Member	Re: 12 Fighter 6 bard 2 rogue Reply #25 - Dec 3^rd, 2014 at 8:06am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2014 at 7:49am: im at a 63 before charisma modifier.� if i push my cha to 30-easy to do even as a third stat. i hit 73-with gh, 4 skill tome, maxed ranks, ship buffs. low 50s will fail often around 40%. and a 50-70 is going to fail for coup de grace. laughably so. isnt needed, but in case one wanted reliable coup and no fail will dc. If one was 1 shoting mobs from the beginning, why would coup be needed ? This will actually result in a loss of dps, especially with a cooldown of 12 sec.
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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: 12 Fighter 6 bard 2 rogue Reply #26 - Dec 3^rd, 2014 at 8:52am	Print Post
	Quote: If one was 1 shoting mobs from the beginning ?

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Teh_Troll Ex Member	Re: 12 Fighter 6 bard 2 rogue Reply #27 - Dec 3^rd, 2014 at 9:17am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2014 at 8:52am: ? Coup the Grace is worthless on a high dps toon. It is a easy button for noobs.


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NOTSunnyshadow Out of Order Offline Kobold remember waterworks! Posts: 2193 Joined: Jan 24^th, 2014	Re: 12 Fighter 6 bard 2 rogue Reply #28 - Dec 3^rd, 2014 at 9:46am	Print Post
	Quote: Coup the Grace is worthless on a high dps toon. It is a easy button for noobs. But the role play potential! I shall fascinate you! Then I shall use my AWESOME PERFORMANCE SKILLS to erase you from the world! MWAHAHAHAHAHA! Reminds me of Assassin's bluff - sneak - assassinate combo.

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Teh_Troll Ex Member	Re: 12 Fighter 6 bard 2 rogue Reply #29 - Dec 3^rd, 2014 at 10:15am	Print Post
	NOTSunnyshadow wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2014 at 9:46am: But the role play potential! I shall fascinate you! Then I shall use my AWESOME PERFORMANCE SKILLS to erase you from the world! MWAHAHAHAHAHA! Reminds me of Assassin's bluff - sneak - assassinate combo. Nah, i am not into flower sniffin.
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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: 12 Fighter 6 bard 2 rogue Reply #30 - Dec 3^rd, 2014 at 4:30pm	Print Post
	Quote: Coup the Grace is worthless on a high dps toon. It is a easy button for noobs. high dps builds are easy buttons for nubs.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Aeolwind HERALD OF HATE Offline DDO: More broken than peanut brittle Posts: 2074 Location: Sarlona Joined: Apr 13^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: 12 Fighter 6 bard 2 rogue Reply #31 - Dec 3^rd, 2014 at 4:35pm	Print Post
	Quote: Coup the Grace is worthless on a high dps toon. It is a easy button for noobs. I like it for taking out high hp orange names & annoying as hell ghaele's in HE RWTD (and healing mobs in general).


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Teh_Troll Ex Member	Re: 12 Fighter 6 bard 2 rogue Reply #32 - Dec 3^rd, 2014 at 4:53pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2014 at 4:30pm: high dps builds are easy buttons for nubs. Noobs can't make high dps toons.


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FM Dragon Raider Offline Posts: 263 Joined: Mar 25^th, 2014	Re: 12 Fighter 6 bard 2 rogue Reply #33 - Dec 4^th, 2014 at 2:49am	Print Post
	Tried all three Bard trees since the armor and Bard updates (including con based dwarf swash) and my favorite is a charisma based PDK Warchanter 16b/3f/1r in heavy armor with arcane spell failure slotted. Doesn't have the raw dps of a swash but the trade off is heavy armor and constantly making mobs helpless. The freeze cleave means everything stays stiff long enough for the group's dps to more than cover any personal lost dps. Intim can be used to gather mobs if the aggro gets too scattered. Freeze DCs are 80/84. Bastard sword and tower shield can be swapped to in the very rare emergency instances when the extra MRR/PRR are needed. The + movement speed group buff is obviously nice too.


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: 12 Fighter 6 bard 2 rogue Reply #34 - Dec 4^th, 2014 at 3:02am	Print Post
	FM wrote on Dec 4^th, 2014 at 2:49am: Tried all three Bard trees since the armor and Bard updates (including con based dwarf swash) and my favorite is a charisma based PDK Warchanter 16b/3f/1r in heavy armor with arcane spell failure slotted. Doesn't have the raw dps of a swash but the trade off is heavy armor and constantly making mobs helpless. The freeze cleave means everything stays stiff long enough for the group's dps to more than cover any personal lost dps. Intim can be used to gather mobs if the aggro gets too scattered. Freeze DCs are 80/84. Bastard sword and tower shield can be swapped to in the very rare emergency instances when the extra MRR/PRR are needed. The + movement speed group buff is obviously nice too. Frozen Fury builds put stunning fist monks to shame.

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Teh_Troll Ex Member	Re: 12 Fighter 6 bard 2 rogue Reply #35 - Dec 4^th, 2014 at 4:16am	Print Post
	FM wrote on Dec 4^th, 2014 at 2:49am: Tried all three Bard trees since the armor and Bard updates (including con based dwarf swash) and my favorite is a charisma based PDK Warchanter 16b/3f/1r in heavy armor with arcane spell failure slotted. Doesn't have the raw dps of a swash but the trade off is heavy armor and constantly making mobs helpless. The freeze cleave means everything stays stiff long enough for the group's dps to more than cover any personal lost dps. Intim can be used to gather mobs if the aggro gets too scattered. Freeze DCs are 80/84. Bastard sword and tower shield can be swapped to in the very rare emergency instances when the extra MRR/PRR are needed. The + movement speed group buff is obviously nice too. Meh, don't like flavor builds.


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FM Dragon Raider Offline Posts: 263 Joined: Mar 25^th, 2014	Re: 12 Fighter 6 bard 2 rogue Reply #36 - Dec 4^th, 2014 at 8:43pm	Print Post
	Quote: Meh, don't like flavor builds. With the best melee tactics in the game and the ability to operate heavy armor post update 23 (swash can only operate in light), I don't consider it a flavor build. Anyway, not trying to sell it, I actually enjoy having a unique character. Just sharing that I found it the most effective out of the Bard builds I've tried. If dps is the primary objective, not sure I would choose swash over paladin, paladin/tempest, or wolf/ranger. In fact, swash might start looking a little flavorful in comparison.
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Teh_Troll Ex Member	Re: 12 Fighter 6 bard 2 rogue Reply #37 - Dec 5^th, 2014 at 4:50am	Print Post
	FM wrote on Dec 4^th, 2014 at 8:43pm: With the best melee tactics in the game and the ability to operate heavy armor post update 23 (swash can only operate in light), I don't consider it a flavor build. Anyway, not trying to sell it, I actually enjoy having a unique character. Just sharing that I found it the most effective out of the Bard builds I've tried. If dps is the primary objective, not sure I would choose swash over paladin, paladin/tempest, or wolf/ranger. In fact, swash might start looking a little flavorful in comparison. lol


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Yobai Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4126 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012	Re: 12 Fighter 6 bard 2 rogue Reply #38 - Dec 5^th, 2014 at 4:43pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Dec 4^th, 2014 at 3:02am: Frozen Fury builds put stunning fist monks to shame. yes. wonder when they will nerf that?

	Revaulting wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:16pm: Have you tried a lower difficulty, such as the official forums?
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Yobai Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4126 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012	Re: 12 Fighter 6 bard 2 rogue Reply #39 - Dec 5^th, 2014 at 4:44pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2014 at 4:30pm: high dps builds are easy buttons for nubs. someone should let Quahlor in on that secret.

	Revaulting wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:16pm: Have you tried a lower difficulty, such as the official forums?
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Yobai Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4126 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012	Re: 12 Fighter 6 bard 2 rogue Reply #40 - Dec 5^th, 2014 at 4:47pm	Print Post
	ZooperDooper wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2014 at 5:41pm: You DO know.. he doesn't HAVE a sister.. but he DOES have a 12 year old little brother? Now Timmy.. show us on the doll where Teh Troll touched you... on the penis... with his tongue... it felt like wet sandpaper

	Revaulting wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:16pm: Have you tried a lower difficulty, such as the official forums?
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Astraghal Abbot Raider Offline Posts: 883 Joined: Jun 13^th, 2010	Re: 12 Fighter 6 bard 2 rogue Reply #41 - Dec 14^th, 2014 at 10:14am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2014 at 8:52am: ? I'd usually get Blitz going close to the beginning of EE's and just bulldoze them while barely getting hit and use Fascinate or Otto's as required.


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