adolrak wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 3:20pm:

Depends on how good as a player you are about not getting hit

adolrak wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 3:20pm:

Yes

adolrak wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 3:20pm:

Yes

adolrak wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 3:20pm:

No

14 str 12 dex 20 con 8 int 8 wis 14 cha

Skills into UMD, Heal, Concentration, Jump

Feats
W. Focus slash --> G weapon Spec
Power attack --> Great Cleave
Imp crit slash
GMoF
Toughness
G 2 Handed
Epics
OC
Epic Tough
Perfect two handed
Epic DR
Perfect Two Weapon

I guess I could ditch the two toughness for precision and maybe quicken/emp healing since the hp will prolly still be around 2k but we'll see how it flushes out

What I am looking at is 7x crits with an axe in LD, 9x when I smite. all the cleaves, blitz, craploads of hps and decent prr/saves.  Dipping my toe into sacred defender helps alot.

The build also works well in crusader/sentinel depending what I am doing/needed for, although i think crusader is a pretty solid ED for any melee

am i going to walk through EE content solo without looking.. prolly not but I think it will make grinding out 6 epic lives fun and works with the gear i have.

If i am flat out wrong, or if I am overlooking some sneaky synergy or twist that's what I am hoping to find out from the borg that is vault

Feynman wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 6:06pm:


Fair enough, dodge will be tricky to max, tho ive just finished 6 of 9 lives as a monkcher without ninja fade, but I am still not used to the dodge changes.  I typically wear smoke gs, and ghostly somewhere else at least for dodge.

Feynman wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 6:06pm:

15 Earth Stance
16 Augment
25 Sacred Defence stance
30 Mythic Minos
Thats 86 without trying.  15 more if i twist Standing with Stone although that means giving up Sense Weakness, and 15 more if i put points in Shintao (which I hadnt)

so 126 PRR if I respec to tank, 86 standing  55 MRR I believe unless the aug adds to both as well.

Feynman wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 6:06pm:


I didnt intend to put any points in Shintao, couldnt find a way to even squeeze one into it sadly.  I have 18 in dwarf, 23 in KotC, 6 in SD, and 33 in Kensai.  Gives me max exalted smite and the extra prr/mrr of stance with resto on remove disease which i love and an extra loh lol

Feynman wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 6:06pm:

I didnt realize this, i thought it was one or the other, definitely something to think about tho, ive never build a pure tank before so i sorta glossed over SD t5s

Feynman wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 6:06pm:


Im curious whats adding up to 15-20x4.  Holy sword and IC is 17-20x4 and 19-20 at 5x with overwelming
Centred im getting 17-20x3 base and the same 5x or 19-20 so really im losing crit dps just because kensai doesnt offer that built in multiplier.  If there were better mauls in the game it would be a no brainer, maul in LD would give me that 15-20x4 which would be nuts but as is, id be doing lives with a cannith maul or the ratkiller or some shit.
Where I gain back a bit of that dps tho is twisting Dance with Flowers

Feynman wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 6:06pm:


This, seems to be the flavor of the month.  If this dwarven con build doesnt work out a TR is pretty easy and painless these days and I will probably fall back onto this.  Prolly stick with dwarf still and go 4 fighter 1 monk just to get the most out of the free feats

Thank you for your input.  I hope I dont come across as bitching or arguing.  Just trying to expand upon my reasoning for choices and hopefully if im wrong someone can point out why/where ive gone astray

I think you need to fix your level split if you are actually going to do this build. Accept that you are not going to get anything out of pally levels 3-6 and change them to monk.

You should have more than enough feats and end up with ~33 pts in kensai, 17 pts in ninja spy, ~18 pts in dwarf, 1 pt in KotC, and about 8 points left to season to taste.

adolrak wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 12:25am:


It goes off all the time and stacks up to...25 IIRC (also applies poison vulnerability IIRC...) So 25d4x1.25 every 3 seconds.

Also don't forget to twist dance of flowers.

I took the whole thing back to formula based on your feedback.  I still like the whole con build centred, I think 2k+ hp and light strike and all that jazz adds up to something fun.  But.  There have been a bunch of you pointing out things that help make pajamas more survivable and there just arent enough AP to make that work with dwarf, so I changed it and this is what I came up with.

8 Fighter 6 Pal 6 Monk  PDK (personally I feel like this is the best split for this build anyways, I lose esentially no feats, just 2 damage from greater weapon spec)
14 str 12 dex 16 con 8 int 8 wis 18 cha

2 Handed fighting line
Imp Crit slash
w focus slash --> g weapon focus
dodge
precision
Stunning blow
GMoF
Cleave, G Cleave
Epics:
OC
Quicken
Perfect 2hand
Perfect 2 weap
Epic DR

For enhancements I feel like I was able to fit in everything that was mentioned above.
PDK - 3AP
Kensai - 33AP
KotC - 14AP (greater resto on remove disease is just too nice, but I suppose I could spend less here)
SD - 6AP
Shintao - 11AP (for Iron Skin)
Ninja Spy - 13AP (fist of iron and sting)

So, I managed to fit in 5% dodge from enhancements and the dodge cap one from kensai, although I may move those AP to tactics cause im not sure how close to cap I will end up
I have Reed in the winds from Shintao for an extra 9% dodge half the time
25 PRR from Sacred
15 PRR from Iron skin
10 from Epic DR
15 from Earth stance
30 from Minos

grand total 95

The problem I run into, is lack of having a decent greatsword for leveling lives lol.  No ESOS here tho I suppose I could start farming for a skybreaker.

Am I getting closer?  I think this setup basically does what i want, everything from one stat in a centred fighter.  I will give up some dps in the crit multiplier but gain a wider crit range my saves will be much better, lose some base dmg stat because none of these enhancements have charisma but overall survive longer/easier

*edit* I just noticed that I could pickup another 20 PRR if i swapped out stunning blow for combat expertise while i ran in LD.  I have never taken combat expert ever lol the -5 to hit doesnt seem like a huge deal with precision, assuming i can be in both, but will the spell cooldown affect coccoon?
Or should I stick to stunning, as the DC will be pretty decent.  Suppose I could ditch quicken

5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 2:22am:


I disagree, 3 and 4 paladin are both fairly good options, especially for fleshie centered builds.

3 paladin = 25PRR/MRR for 6ap in the sacred defender tree.
4 paladin = Turn undead / meta magics (notably empower heal)

5-13 paladin is rather pointless though.

5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 2:22am:


I dropped precision for toughness, did not realize this.  Also redoing the split cost me quicken so I took epic toughness.  I guess I could have done lightning ref and something else instead.

Munkenmo wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 7:44am:


Improved evasion is a good idea actually, and with the paladin splash feedback I have changed to
9 mnk 8 fig 3 pal this gives me imp evasion and costs me nothing except the ability to use DM without twists which I have no AP for anyways so no bother.  3 paladin still gives me access to greater resto and cure disease, or exalted smite if i want to wiggle ap a tiny bit.

Also what is abysmal saves?  low 70s is where I should sit based on where I am at currently in a pal without decent cha.

I have power attack in the build just didnt list it.

There are no ap for harper, at all unless I want to drop all the survivability stuff i redesigned the build to include.

5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 3:42am:


I don't know if the wiki is incorrect, but it seems like the Stalwart Defender tree doesn't have MRR, so on a 9/8/3 like this taking a third paladin level Just to get 25MRR from Sacred Defender would still provide more bonuses than 9th fighter or 10th monk.

Heck the games fast approaching the point where's there's not much point in taking beyond 2 fighter levels...  Someone needs to tell Turbine about the area in between the far left and right on a pendulum.

Wiki shows fighter defender tree only having PRR not MRR wether its out of date or not I am not sure.

Finished 2 back to back swash lives and stance was giving the prr/mrr, along with the stacking +3 to weapon enchantment, +3 to saves, + 6 con and + 20% hp. All worked. Not sure if the fast movement stacked with swash but took it anyway.