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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Heal amp woes Jan 16^th, 2015 at 1:50pm	Print Post
	So I have this vanguard in LD. 20 in human, 10 from past life, 100 from Tod ring and Mitts, nothing else. Well 20 from ship buff. Yet it shows 150 amp in character sheet and she gets 27500 from Sovereignity or 302 from Hjeal scroll. What's up with the extra 25 ? It's Friday so must be something obvious.


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Illetirated Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 568 Joined: Nov 19^th, 2013	Re: Heal amp woes Reply #1 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 2:04pm	Print Post
	I don't understand either but I think you should delete this. Turbine might nerf it.

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Kluege Dragon Raider Offline Hi Posts: 246 Location: Philly Joined: Aug 6^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Heal amp woes Reply #2 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 2:28pm	Print Post
	20+10+100+20=150 20 Human 10 Past life 100 ToD Ring and Mitts 20 Ship Not sure what you are asking. Are you saying it is acting like 175?


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9186 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Heal amp woes Reply #3 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 3:17pm	Print Post
	Its like a bank error, if its in your favor, you don't say anything and pocket the difference.

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OnePercenter Advocatus Diaboli Offline Ants Eat Dead Grasshoppers Posts: 9985 Joined: Dec 4^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Heal amp woes Reply #4 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 7:38pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 3:17pm: Its like a bank error, if its in your favor, you don't say anything and pocket the difference. http://www.forbes.com/sites/moneybuilder/2012/05/24/bank-error-in-your-favor/

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crunch Stormreaver Piker Offline Posts: 745 Location: Europe Joined: Mar 20^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Heal amp woes Reply #5 - Jan 17^th, 2015 at 12:39pm	Print Post
	looks like you have an old-school x1.1 effect from somewhere.


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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Heal amp woes Reply #6 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 12:18pm	Print Post
	crunch wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 12:39pm: looks like you have an old-school x1.1 effect from somewhere. Apparently. That's why I am asking what it might be.


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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4380 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: Heal amp woes Reply #7 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 7:56pm	Print Post
	Wipe wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 12:18pm: Apparently. That's why I am asking what it might be. That's a really odd (but curious) one wipe. I'm not aware of anything adding +25 either as all the %'s got doubled? Looking at the gear you've got and the HA bonuses, the multiplicative effect can only be the past life - but the PL would have to be additive and then multiply the total HA to work out at 275 (which seems unlikely)? (100+60+40+20+20+10)*1.1 = 275 I know this doesn't isolate other potential sources, but what do you get when you strip away all your gear and buffs and cast Heal? Anything obvious in combat log? I might have to check my Pally (with 3 PL's) and see how my numbers look.

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m4lacka Horoluth Raider Offline Coitus ergo sum. Posts: 2494 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2014	Re: Heal amp woes Reply #8 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 4:24am	Print Post
	OnePercenter wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 7:38pm: http://www.forbes.com/sites/moneybuilder/2012/05/24/bank-error-in-your-favor/ Commie!

	Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 29^th, 2016 at 7:06pm: The most broken epic PL in the game is the ridiculous AC buff from martial PLs. But when you include all the inherent benefits from reincarnation, the thing is above the roof. The benefit from TR was supposed to be minimal, but now it is game breaking. start a new character and you will feel, you will get raped in heroics. Personally I think lower heroics on new characters are harder than Legendary Elite content on a character with good gear and has all destinies farmed. Arkat wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 4:14pm: And someone in another thread called ME delusional recently! Wow. Have you EVER gone to Law School Feyn? Have you EVER been asked by a United States Senator who is now the Vice President of the United States to write a paper just for him on a particular topic of Constitutional Law for his use as a Senator? Have you ever been asked to help a very notable Harvard PhD turned Constitutional scholar with his very-well received book on Legal Philosophy and Constitutional Revolutions? Have you ever been offered a job as a Deputy Attorney General BEFORE you even graduated Law School? No? Then STFU you fucking amateur. Meat-Head wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 12:03am: Thx. I was semi-waiting because windows 10 will be here soon. but, the crashing is making me want to punch old people. IMARANGER wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 5:40pm: Pretty sure that the fact that a service can be hacked doesn't make it the "community chest".
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m4lacka Horoluth Raider Offline Coitus ergo sum. Posts: 2494 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2014	Re: Heal amp woes Reply #9 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 4:30am	Print Post
	Wipe wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 1:50pm: So I have this vanguard in LD. 20 in human, 10 from past life, 100 from Tod ring and Mitts, nothing else. Well 20 from ship buff. Yet it shows 150 amp in character sheet and she gets 27500 from Sovereignity or 302 from Hjeal scroll. What's up with the extra 25 ? It's Friday so must be something obvious. maybe twisted in EA essence of purity? Or have a fleshmaker stuff? or both? Fleshmaker might still work old X style.

	Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 29^th, 2016 at 7:06pm: The most broken epic PL in the game is the ridiculous AC buff from martial PLs. But when you include all the inherent benefits from reincarnation, the thing is above the roof. The benefit from TR was supposed to be minimal, but now it is game breaking. start a new character and you will feel, you will get raped in heroics. Personally I think lower heroics on new characters are harder than Legendary Elite content on a character with good gear and has all destinies farmed. Arkat wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 4:14pm: And someone in another thread called ME delusional recently! Wow. Have you EVER gone to Law School Feyn? Have you EVER been asked by a United States Senator who is now the Vice President of the United States to write a paper just for him on a particular topic of Constitutional Law for his use as a Senator? Have you ever been asked to help a very notable Harvard PhD turned Constitutional scholar with his very-well received book on Legal Philosophy and Constitutional Revolutions? Have you ever been offered a job as a Deputy Attorney General BEFORE you even graduated Law School? No? Then STFU you fucking amateur. Meat-Head wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 12:03am: Thx. I was semi-waiting because windows 10 will be here soon. but, the crashing is making me want to punch old people. IMARANGER wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 5:40pm: Pretty sure that the fact that a service can be hacked doesn't make it the "community chest".
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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Heal amp woes Reply #10 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 7:12am	Print Post
	No, nothing like that m4lacka. DropBear wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 7:56pm: I know this doesn't isolate other potential sources, but what do you get when you strip away all your gear and buffs and cast Heal? Anything obvious in combat log? No gear, 50 amp in character sheet ( 20 human, 20 ship, 10 past life , nothing unusual ). So that makes for 1.5 x 110 = 165 scroll right ? No, it's 181. Fml


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Bacardi Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 362 Joined: Oct 12^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Heal amp woes Reply #11 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 7:15am	Print Post
	Nope Fleshmaker is just a + now instead of the old amp+amp+amp*10% formula like it used to be. Power over life and death maybe? Any positive spellpower from heal augment or skill distribution? Universal spellpower?
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Aeolwind HERALD OF HATE Offline DDO: More broken than peanut brittle Posts: 2074 Location: Sarlona Joined: Apr 13^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Heal amp woes Reply #12 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 2:33pm	Print Post
	Have scroll mastery of some type somewhere?


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crunch Stormreaver Piker Offline Posts: 745 Location: Europe Joined: Mar 20^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Heal amp woes Reply #13 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 2:43pm	Print Post
	Aeolwind wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 2:33pm: Have scroll mastery of some type somewhere? that would not explain unyielding sovereignty getting the same benefit


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FM Dragon Raider Offline Posts: 263 Joined: Mar 25^th, 2014	Re: Heal amp woes Reply #14 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 2:58pm	Print Post
	Aeolwind wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 2:33pm: Have scroll mastery of some type somewhere? Can't be scroll mastery - the lowest tier, 25%, would push the heal scroll above 200. It looks like 15 healing amp got added when the amp was at 50 and 25 got added when the amp was at 150. It could possibly be a +5 from every source, since there are five sources of amp in the first example and three sources of amp in the second. It's a reach, but it's one possibility. Another possibility is that the heal scrolls are being cast at caster level 12 instead of 11, since that would just about make the numbers work out, although that wouldn't necessarily explain Unyielding increases.
	« Last Edit: Jan 19^th, 2015 at 3:19pm by FM »

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FM Dragon Raider Offline Posts: 263 Joined: Mar 25^th, 2014	Re: Heal amp woes Reply #15 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 3:32pm	Print Post
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FM Dragon Raider Offline Posts: 263 Joined: Mar 25^th, 2014	Re: Heal amp woes Reply #16 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 3:52pm	Print Post
	OK - got it. The racial healing amp is adding the new healing amp value plus the old healing amp value. In other words, tier 1 healing amp is providing +20 healing amp as well as the old x 1.1 value. Erase the racial tree and you'll see the healing amp values return to normal. Tested all three tiers of human (in this case PDK) healing amp. All three are adding in both the old values and the new.


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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4380 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: Heal amp woes Reply #17 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 4:25pm	Print Post
	FM wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 3:52pm: OK - got it. The racial healing amp is adding the new healing amp value plus the old healing amp value. In other words, tier 1 healing amp is providing +20 healing amp as well as the old x 1.1 value. Erase the racial tree and you'll see the healing amp values return to normal. Tested all three tiers of human (in this case PDK) healing amp. All three are adding in both the old values and the new. Nice work FM. That's right - the additive doubled the %, so human tier 1 was +10%. Good to know.

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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Heal amp woes Reply #18 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 9:20am	Print Post
	Cool, thanks FM and everybody else.


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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4380 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: Heal amp woes Reply #19 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 4:06pm	Print Post
	Welcome to the 100 club FM. Mind your step though; there's less corpses of the itinerant, but the poo slinging is more concentrated.

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Heal amp woes Reply #20 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 3:16am	Print Post
	Did anyone ever do the math for warforged? The switch to additive should have made it a lot easier to get above 100% I wonder if they are getting the old and the new as well...

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crunch Stormreaver Piker Offline Posts: 745 Location: Europe Joined: Mar 20^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Heal amp woes Reply #21 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 3:20pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 3:16am: Did anyone ever do the math for warforged? The switch to additive should have made it a lot easier to get above 100% I wonder if they are getting the old and the new as well... I did check warforged heal amp. Forged still have a healing penalty which is still multiplied by heal amp rating. Warforged receive 0.5/0.6/0.7/0.8 racial penalty (depends on healer's friend) Bladeforged receive also a second penalty 0.9. http://ddowiki.com/page/Healing_Amplification#Racial_multiplier


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Heal amp woes Reply #22 - Jan 23^rd, 2015 at 12:39am	Print Post
	crunch wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 3:20pm: I did check warforged heal amp. Forged still have a healing penalty which is still multiplied by heal amp rating. Warforged receive 0.5/0.6/0.7/0.8 racial penalty (depends on healer's friend) Bladeforged receive also a second penalty 0.9. http://ddowiki.com/page/Healing_Amplification#Racial_multiplier That's two big middle fingers to the robots considering the double bonus to the fleshies.

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