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MAX DPS Swashbuckler Build
Feb 28th, 2015 at 10:47am
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Feats  :

- Power Attack
- Cleave
- Great Cleave
- Single Weapon Fighting
- Improved Single Weapon Fighting
- Greater Single Weapon Fightning
- Shield Mastery
- Improved Shield Mastery
- Improved Shield Bash
- Improved Critical Slashing
- Toughness (Switch to Stunning blow for v1.1/v1.2)
- Quicken
- Epic Toughness (Switch to Bulwark of Defense for v1.1/v1.2)
- Overwhelming Critical
- Perfect TWF (Switch to Toughness for v1.1/v1.2)
- Epic Reflexes (Switch to EToughness for v1.1/v1.2)
- Perfect Single Weapon Fighting

Starting Stats (Legend) :

18 Str + 7 LvL Up Points + 5 Tome
08 Dex + 5 Tome
16 Con + 5 Tome (Pre for EToughness)
16 Int + 5 Tome (Know The Angels)
08 Wis + 5 Tome
08 Cha + 5 Tome

Skills :

- 3 Balance + 4 Tome  (Pre for GSWF)
- 19 Disable Device + 4 Tome
- 23 Search + 4 Tome
- 19 Open Lock + 4 Tome
- 23 Spot + 4 Tome
- 23 Perform + 4 Tome
- 11 Heal +4 Tome
- 11 UMD + 4 Tome


Enhancements v1.0 (see below) :







Enhancements v1.1 (see below) :







Enhancements v1.2 (see below)







Enhancements final build (see below)






Main Destiny for Hand Axes (see below) :





Main Destiny for Light Picks (see below) :






Main Destiny for Shortswords (see beow) :


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Re: MAX DPS Swashbuckler Build
Reply #1 - Feb 28th, 2015 at 1:03pm
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nice, but two questions:
what weapon do you use with Improved Critical Slashing? mortal fear handaxe?
and why no sense weakness twist?
  
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SweetKitten wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 1:03pm:
nice, but two questions:
what weapon do you use with Improved Critical Slashing? mortal fear handaxe?
and why no sense weakness twist?


1) Handaxe
2) Reign with perfect single weapon fighting will procc on a 19-20 instead of the usual 20, that alone is much better dps wise than sense weakness.

EDIT : With 30 fate points you could get 4 3 2 1 setup making it possible to twist both sense weakness and reign along with legendary shield + primal scream, it is quite expensive though.
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Re: MAX DPS Swashbuckler Build
Reply #3 - Feb 28th, 2015 at 3:06pm
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is shield bash even worth it on swash, I ended up dropping it and the vanguard enhancements just because it was so little damage from a buckler.
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 28th, 2015 at 4:20pm
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Lehane wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 3:06pm:
is shield bash even worth it on swash, I ended up dropping it and the vanguard enhancements just because it was so little damage from a buckler.


Also equals more stacks of exploit weakness on your mainhand weapon, which means better crit rate, so yes it is worth it. Stunning shield is pretty awesome too.
  
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Re: MAX DPS Swashbuckler Build
Reply #5 - Feb 28th, 2015 at 11:18pm
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2) Reign with perfect single weapon fighting will procc on a 19-20 instead of the usual 20, that alone is much better dps wise than sense weakness.


lol.

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EDIT : With 30 fate points you could get 4 3 2 1 setup making it possible to twist both sense weakness and reign along with legendary shield + primal scream, it is quite expensive though.


That's better. I probably wouldn't bother twisting primal scream, but go ahead and keep buffing me with it.  Grin
  

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Reply #6 - Mar 1st, 2015 at 12:57am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Feb 28th, 2015 at 11:18pm:
lol.


That's better. I probably wouldn't bother twisting primal scream, but go ahead and keep buffing me with it.  Grin

Yep, it is much better dps wise than sense weakness. Bear with it. Also i never buff anyone. Get your own buffs  Wink.
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Reply #7 - Mar 1st, 2015 at 4:16am
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Yep, it is much better dps wise than sense weakness. Bear with it. Also i never buff anyone. Get your own buffs  Wink.


If you're not making stuff helpless, then you're not doing it right.
  

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Reply #8 - Mar 1st, 2015 at 7:11am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 1st, 2015 at 4:16am:
If you're not making stuff helpless, then you're not doing it right.

Reign is +23 damage (half damage is electric, half sonic) per hit on average with a vorpal threat range of 19-20. Sense weakness is +9.25 dmg per hit on average without the +30 % extra damage vs helpless, but who cares about those 30% ? Stuff dies too fast anyway and besides, i get +50% from ld combat brute. To make stuff helpless i use stunning shield and anvil of thunder every now and then.
  
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Reply #9 - Mar 1st, 2015 at 7:20am
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What a complicated way to gimp a character. You should have stayed with a halfling thrower with maximized Charisma.
  
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Reply #10 - Mar 1st, 2015 at 7:39am
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What a complicated way to gimp a character. You should have stayed with a halfling thrower with maximized Charisma.

lol thrower. None does this crap anymore Grin.
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Reply #11 - Mar 1st, 2015 at 10:21pm
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Reign is +23 damage (half damage is electric, half sonic) per hit on average with a vorpal threat range of 19-20. Sense weakness is +9.25 dmg per hit on average without the +30 % extra damage vs helpless, but who cares about those 30% ? Stuff dies too fast anyway and besides, i get +50% from ld combat brute. To make stuff helpless i use stunning shield and anvil of thunder every now and then.


Reign is very good...but: 30% > 23 and 130% > 0%
  

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Reply #12 - Mar 1st, 2015 at 10:37pm
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lol thrower. None does this crap anymore Grin.


Are halfllings finally tired of being tossed around all the time?   Cheesy
  
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Reply #13 - Mar 1st, 2015 at 10:41pm
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was curious if holy strike was worth taking with pswf as you double its effectiveness. usually everyone takes ptwf for the slight doublestrike, is it better then 10d6 untyped on 19-20?
  
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Reply #14 - Mar 2nd, 2015 at 3:49am
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Lehane wrote on Mar 1st, 2015 at 10:41pm:
was curious if holy strike was worth taking with pswf as you double its effectiveness. usually everyone takes ptwf for the slight doublestrike, is it better then 10d6 untyped on 19-20?

10d6 equals to +7 damage per hit on average vs. Evil enemies on Rolls of 19-20. in my opinion 5% +doublestrike is much better. I would instead consider skirmisher ring for the thunderstruck effeckt, if you must.
  
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Reply #15 - Mar 2nd, 2015 at 3:52am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 1st, 2015 at 10:21pm:
Reign is very good...but: 30% > 23 and 130% > 100%

Hehe, fixed.
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Reply #16 - Mar 2nd, 2015 at 4:00am
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Reign is very good...but: 30% > 23 and 230% >
100% 


Fixed your fix.
  

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Reply #17 - Mar 2nd, 2015 at 6:43am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 2nd, 2015 at 4:00am:
Fixed your fix.

Base is +50%, while being increased by combat brute +50% and then Sense weakness +30% for a total of +130 % damage vs. Helpless Targets. Forgot to add *+*.
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Reply #18 - Mar 2nd, 2015 at 7:27am
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Base is +50%, while being increased by combat brute +50% and then Sense weakness +30% for a total of +130 % damage vs. Helpless Targets. Forgot to add *+*.


Either way, it's not 130 vs 100.
  

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Reply #19 - Mar 2nd, 2015 at 8:02am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 2nd, 2015 at 7:27am:
Either way, it's not 130 vs 100.

But it is +130%(Sense weakness) vs. +100%(without Sense weakness)
  
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Reply #20 - Mar 4th, 2015 at 11:03pm
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But it is +130%(Sense weakness) vs. +100%(without Sense weakness)


No, because you don't have a spammable stun attack. I would take those wasted points out of Stalwart and take Frozen Fury.
  

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Reply #21 - Mar 5th, 2015 at 2:53am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 4th, 2015 at 11:03pm:
No, because you don't have a spammable stun attack. I would take those wasted points out of Stalwart and take Frozen Fury.

Nop, i can pretty much always spam stunning shield and anvil of thunder (yes it can hit three times. Once per hit, doublestrike or shield bash) and they pretty much always stun the target. I was thinking about frozen fury, but dc wise not satisfied with the results plus i am not going to bother with yet another clicky. Those extra points in stalwart are pretty much worth it for the cheap to get strength additions(which i need for lay waste plus i am a strength build maximizing dps output for less cost), extra speed and enhancement bonuses to weapon dmg. Imo warchanter is pretty much useless except for spinning ice, which is way too expansive.
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Reply #22 - Mar 5th, 2015 at 3:38am
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Nop, i can pretty much always spam stunning shield and anvil of thunder (yes it can hit three times. Once per hit, doublestrike or shield bash) and they pretty much always stun the target. I was thinking about frozen fury, but dc wise not satisfied with the results plus i am not going to bother with yet another clicky. Those extra points in stalwart are pretty much worth it for the cheap to get strength additions(which i need for lay waste plus i am a strength build maximizing dps output for less cost), extra speed and enhancement bonuses to weapon dmg. Imo warchanter is pretty much useless except for spinning ice, which is way too expansive.


Frozen fury is the new stunning fist. The cooldown on stunning shield is too long, and anvil is unreliable.

And you can drop 9 points out of your stalwart tree, 2 points out of swash, and 2 points out of your racial tree with 0 dps loss.
  

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Reply #23 - Mar 5th, 2015 at 5:09am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 5th, 2015 at 3:38am:
Frozen fury is the new stunning fist. The cooldown on stunning shield is too long, and anvil is unreliable.

And you can drop 9 points out of your stalwart tree, 2 points out of swash, and 2 points out of your racial tree with 0 dps loss.

Taking away points from stalwart defender will cost me +3 enhancement bonus to weapon damage ~ 3 dmg, either strong defense or tenacious defense (Yes hp also plays a role in some ways, by for example healing up much sooner than expected due to having less hp than before, which will reduce your overall damage output or worse, getting 1 shot by champions taking 800-1000 dmg since you are doing 0 dps while dead.) plus running with reduced movement speed for not having swift defense, which will also reduce your dps by getting to X target much later than before. For me Anvil of thunder is reliable enough due to having a larger crit range than before by doing auto bashes, high enough doublestrike and bashes itself. As a non-pure bard with low cha frozen fury is pretty much worthless.
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Reply #24 - Mar 5th, 2015 at 5:41am
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Taking away points from stalwart defender will cost me +3 enhancement bonus to weapon damage ~ 3 dmg, either strong defense or tenacious defense (Yes hp also plays a role in some ways, by for example healing up much sooner than expected due to having less hp than before, which will reduce your overall damage output or worse, getting 1 shot by champions taking 800-1000 dmg since you are doing 0 dps while dead.) plus running with reduced movement speed for not having swift defense, which will also reduce your dps by getting to X target much later than before. For me Anvil of thunder is reliable enough due to having a larger crit range than before by doing auto bashes, high enough doublestrike and bashes itself. As a non-pure bard with low cha frozen fury is pretty much worthless.


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