Flav wrote on Aug 1^st, 2015 at 1:22pm:



every time I see that I think of this.  every.  god.  damned.  time.




who the fuck is that guy?  Mo Chevalier?  and what the fuck is she singing "bain du soleil for the central faces? " places?  paces?  drives me nuts.

On the other hand, if they do wear thongs, that could explain why everything they do is half-assed.

Although I am not overly impressed with the new content, I am not hating it as much as many of you seem to. At least they realized that loot should be designed in a manner that makes players actually want to try to get it.

Of course, this could just be because I am so used to the turd sandwiches Turbine has been offering, that peanuts or corn thrown into the mix gets me excited.

5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2015 at 12:04am:


Yes, but there is no real need to flag on Heroic as the quests are a cakewalk on EN.  I just multi-boxed half a dozen accounts through flagging on EN.

5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2015 at 12:33am:


Those handwraps are pretty boss for ML13.

harharharhar wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2015 at 12:51am:


Yes, and the bracers, cloak, great axe, gxbow, helm, necklace, runearm, and trinket.

DropBear wrote on Aug 1^st, 2015 at 8:50pm:


You didn't notice because you're always running Elite... which adds 2 to the chest level ( like the quest ).
The official reason invoked at that time was that the loot table didn't extend beyond LVL cap ( 20 since the reason was given to us at the time of the raise to 20 ),
all the tables had to be 'nerfed' so that the item progression would be linear and there was no way to end up with chests above LVL cap.
So the chests that were hit the most are all the Old Epic chests, the 16-20 Chests and the former ( Pre-enhancement Crash/MoTU ) end game chests.
But all the chests were hit... ( Co6 got a -2 Level for example )

So with VON3 ( Heroic ) as example :
LVL 9 Quest, Elite : LVL 11
LVL 7 Chests ( that's what Heroic VON3 earned ) with +2 gives you LVL 9 Loot.

LVL 9 Loot :
- LVL 8 wearables ( armor, jewelry, helm, ... )
- LVL 9 Weapons

So you won't really notice that there's something wrong.

Now if you do that with ToD chests :
ToD is LVL 20. on Elite that's 22.
Chests are LVL 17 for the following reason : +2 ( Elite ) +1 ( Chest Blesser ) +1 or +2 ( Jewel ).

Now since at that time loot table didn't go further than 20, for everything Amrath and for all the old Epic quests there also was a hardcoded cutting.
if Chest level after modifications went over 20, then chest level was set to 20. ( it caused some whining )

I told you it was really old stuff...

DropBear wrote on Aug 1^st, 2015 at 8:50pm:


It's not really hard, but it's time consuming, as you have to go through each and every loot table and make it point back towards old stuff.
There's one fuckinbg table for each level for the generic chests ( that's 30 tables ), plus one or more table for each and every 'special chest' ( end quest chest, named chest, ... ), plus one for each and every quest reward, one for the chain reward, and more...
Long, tedious, time consuming and the most important bit :

It does not look well on a resume... you can't really write : repaired the loot that was broken by a former colleague. It's better to make new stuff for resume padding.

DropBear wrote on Aug 1^st, 2015 at 8:50pm:


There's a difference between thongs and tongs 

I assume that if we pull a Rodrak and start posting the item generation tables and give hints at how to un-Ghostbane them they will eventually have to do something... after having banned all the people that posted this kind of information.

DropBear wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2015 at 5:46am:

I can burn through some MoBo socks for that. Im sure others will too.

Flav wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2015 at 2:29am:


IIRC, they had to transmogrify and bastardize the loot tables back when they added loot gems and worldwide loot boosts. Believe it or not, there was a slight outcry when folks started getting items they couldn't use. Turbine in their infinite wisdom, just tacked on a negative modifier to counter the boosts being sold and promo'd.

Problem solved, players got lvl relevant drops now and turbine sales would be spurred.

Meursault wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2015 at 6:49am:

Unless you're running some 28 content and start getting 22 stuff.

Flav wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2015 at 2:29am:

I rarely run Elite bro.
Usually Hard, as I don't find Elite fun.
Sometimes when I need to for favour etc, but it's usually slow and tedious.
But that is beside the point for me.

I use Maddong's loot table estimator as a guide.
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/432685-Epic-Loot-Caps

Some time ago I ran a post MOTU quest, Mask of Deception (a short level 30 quest), and checked the loot.  It caps at level 30 with a +1 loot gem, +1 guild bonus and EN difficulty.  It looked like it was level 30 chest.

I'll have to do the same test for the U27 quests, but the loot dropping was Lvl 26 stuff on EN with the same loot buffs.

mystafyi wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2015 at 6:42am:


I did not realise that and it is a terrible approach.
I can't believe there was "outcry" - I must have been on walkabout at that time or I would have remembered that.

So I finally got around to running the quests. I am in the same boat as the OP and haven't run the raid yet.

I think they are ok. I mean honestly what the fuck do you expect for $5. I knew exactly what to expect when I saw the price tag. When an adventure pack, something that has to be thought up, story lines written, art made in paint, paint is hard as fuck to use to get shit to look good, and then coded by the lowest common denominator programmers, then costs the same as a fucking 6 hour xp pot, well, you get what you fucking pay for.

You price yourself like shit and people will treat you like shit.

Speaking of shits, I took a really good shit before I sat down to type this post. Was it more satisfying that the new pack? Sure, but it was fleeting. I still have the pack and can run that again, but that sweet shit I took, man that is gone for ever.

DropBear wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2015 at 7:20am:


yep.  idiots bitching that there were "too many gems!  my gem bag won't hold them all! and now I can't click loot all without thinking!" 

so you got demands for free huge gem bags and demands to eliminate the extra gems.  more of the latter.  so the plebes won again.