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Is Epic eSoS end game garbage?
Aug 25th, 2015 at 11:51pm
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I have an old THF alt I was thinking about dusting off but he has no Phlogs.

I mean it's still pretty tits for crit threat/multi. I imagine on a Barb Pally it would be still be nice, no?

Full disclosure: Haven't played a THF character since long before U25. Maybe 23?
  
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Re: Is Epic eSoS end game garbage?
Reply #1 - Aug 26th, 2015 at 12:37am
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Epic SOS is still best choice for THF Barb/Pally from lv20 to lv27.

BTW, it's good time to play THF character currently,  glancing blow has 100% damage now even without any THF feats.  Wink
  
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Re: Is Epic eSoS end game garbage?
Reply #2 - Aug 26th, 2015 at 12:45am
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FlameDragon wrote on Aug 26th, 2015 at 12:37am:
glancing blow has 100% damage now even without any THF feats.  Wink


Sounds like it's time to swash with a sunblade to me.

Esos is still great. I haven't heard of eesos though.
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Reply #3 - Aug 26th, 2015 at 12:52am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 26th, 2015 at 12:45am:
Sounds like it's time to swash with a sunblade to me.

Esos is still great. I haven't heard of eesos though.


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Re: Is Epic eSoS end game garbage?
Reply #4 - Aug 26th, 2015 at 9:31am
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It holds up pretty well.   There are several other options you can go with, but that thing was so OP that it is probably still in the top gear at least through 25.  If not higher.
  
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Reply #5 - Aug 26th, 2015 at 10:22am
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might just be the best thf weapon until lv 28. and it was nerfed once. crazy when you think about it
  
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Reply #6 - Aug 26th, 2015 at 12:49pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Aug 26th, 2015 at 10:22am:
might just be the best thf weapon until lv 28. and it was nerfed once. crazy when you think about it


I imagine against red/purple it would still hold it's own due to scaling/crits/MP/capstone etc
  
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Reply #7 - Aug 26th, 2015 at 1:09pm
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ESoS weakness is base damage compared to either TF or new axe from amrath, very low +W, just like most old epic weapons
  
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Re: Is Epic eSoS end game garbage?
Reply #8 - Aug 28th, 2015 at 10:47pm
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harharharhar wrote on Aug 26th, 2015 at 12:49pm:
I imagine against red/purple it would still hold it's own due to scaling/crits/MP/capstone etc


Yep. Mortal Fear owns all trash, but it's hard to beat a superior crit profile for red/purples.
  
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Reply #9 - Sep 4th, 2015 at 6:26pm
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I use Esos until I reach lv 26. The reason is that EE mobs at that level start to have high fortification (actually even before that) so armor piercing from TF is really welcomed.

Base damage is a non issue since Esos has a falchion crit range with a great axe multiplier. When you score a crit you HURT and many builds can go really close to 50% crit chance. It can definitely be worthwhile at level 27 too.
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Reply #10 - Sep 5th, 2015 at 10:56pm
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with the new 20% cloak from eAmrath it might be a good end game contender again, on red/purple anyway
  
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Re: Is Epic eSoS end game garbage?
Reply #11 - Sep 6th, 2015 at 3:54pm
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No it's not garbage. If you can't go tier three tf, then idk any gs better.
  
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Reply #12 - Sep 7th, 2015 at 10:21pm
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harharharhar wrote on Sep 5th, 2015 at 10:56pm:
with the new 20% cloak from eAmrath it might be a good end game contender again, on red/purple anyway


Black dragon armor?
  
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Reply #13 - Sep 17th, 2015 at 12:58pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Sep 7th, 2015 at 10:21pm:
Black dragon armor?


yes of course that too, but there are some more interesting armor to wear, especially defensively, situationally.

I guess most of the time Black Dragon is probably the best choice for the 5% Damage boost.

When all the boosts in the game go to RP/MP boosts though, that black dragon armor is going to be a lot more attractive.
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Reply #14 - Sep 17th, 2015 at 6:36pm
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Until they change it to +5MP/RP.  Cheesy
  
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Reply #15 - Sep 17th, 2015 at 11:25pm
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WeHaveLived wrote on Sep 17th, 2015 at 6:36pm:
Until they change it to +5MP/RP.  Cheesy

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Re: Is Epic eSoS end game garbage?
Reply #16 - Sep 17th, 2015 at 11:39pm
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harharharhar wrote on Aug 25th, 2015 at 11:51pm:
I have an old THF alt I was thinking about dusting off but he has no Phlogs.

I mean it's still pretty tits for crit threat/multi. I imagine on a Barb Pally it would be still be nice, no?

Full disclosure: Haven't played a THF character since long before U25. Maybe 23?


I have exactly the same toon. Epic Marilith chain barb with Eclaw set and Esos. In the day was the shizzle.
  
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Re: Is Epic eSoS end game garbage?
Reply #17 - Sep 20th, 2015 at 4:05pm
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harharharhar wrote on Sep 17th, 2015 at 12:58pm:
yes of course that too, but there are some more interesting armor to wear, especially defensively, situationally.

I guess most of the time Black Dragon is probably the best choice for the 5% Damage boost.

When all the boosts in the game go to RP/MP boosts though, that black dragon armor is going to be a lot more attractive also go to RP/MP boost.


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Re: Is Epic eSoS end game garbage?
Reply #18 - Oct 8th, 2015 at 4:51am
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I just did some math and remembered this thread.

My math says that on a holysworded (13-20x4) eSoS  you'd need about 150 base damage (x[W]+mod) to pull ahead of of a holysworded (13-20x3) T3 TF Falchion (with 10d6 fire and 8d8 force per hit).

Does that sound right?
  
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Reply #19 - Oct 8th, 2015 at 7:47pm
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That's not hard to get at all with a Barb or Pally (assuming barb has other crit range modifiers than Holy Sword). My throwers are like 4.8d2 +70-75 Depending on Buffs. With 10 Stacks of Blitz I'm runing around with like 170 or 180 RP ( I keep TR'ing that's why they're ranges). That's way more than 150 base damage, so Barb/Pally whatever must be able to go higher.
  
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Reply #20 - Oct 10th, 2015 at 12:12am
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harharharhar wrote on Oct 8th, 2015 at 7:47pm:
That's not hard to get at all with a Barb or Pally (assuming barb has other crit range modifiers than Holy Sword). My throwers are like 4.8d2 +70-75 Depending on Buffs. With 10 Stacks of Blitz I'm runing around with like 170 or 180 RP ( I keep TR'ing that's why they're ranges). That's way more than 150 base damage, so Barb/Pally whatever must be able to go higher.


No, I did the calc before melee power applies. Theoretically it would scale each equally and cancel out,...but since melee power isn't working as described it may favor the better crit profile.

I'm not sure it's doable even with 1.5Str(w/ DM), Deadly 11, Power Attack, Seeker 14, +[W], etc. It would still be red-name only though. There's no overcoming Mortal Fear for trash.
  
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Reply #21 - Oct 21st, 2015 at 11:43am
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yes and no: yes it's the best THF weapon, but no THF sucks; kill yourself.
  
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Reply #22 - Oct 23rd, 2015 at 11:09pm
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[] wrote on Oct 21st, 2015 at 11:43am:
yes and no: yes it's the best THF weapon, but no THF sucks; kill yourself.


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