Whirling's boost is never overt, it's not listed anywhere because of poor design like several other ranged and throwing boosts.

For your own piece of mind, go buy a couple stacks of non-returning ammo and throw them all with Whirling turned off, then throw them with it on, you will be able to observe and record the difference in ROF, it will be very noticeable. Hopefully this will sort things out for you, Turbine strikes again.

Actually it does, and I am sorry to have to tell you that  visuals mean nothing. But why don't we walk through this, did you record how long to throw 3 separate sets of 100 without it on for a averaged result, and then did you throw 3 separate sets of 100 with it on?

If so what was the average time to 100 for each set?

Halfmaniac wrote on Sep 13^th, 2015 at 9:36pm:


In your video your character on the left is throwing a good deal faster than the one on the left. What else did you have trained for the video?

Halfmaniac wrote on Sep 13^th, 2015 at 8:25pm:


This.

Your effects log is simply stating that the three tiers of Whirling Wrists do not stack with each other.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Halfmaniac wrote on Sep 13^th, 2015 at 9:36pm:


You will want to do tests, at the very least 3 sets of 100 for each set up.

Doing rigorous tests are the only way to have a understanding of what is really going on with the character in question, or a build you are working on.



harharharhar wrote on Sep 13^th, 2015 at 10:14pm:


Oh do give it a rest, would you?

The reality is that you are threatened by anyone else's expertise on your pet topic, so you treat them like shit, post childish rude things you would never have the nerve to say in person, and make a spectacle of yourself regularly before having a post-spectacle tantrum like clock-work.

It's not a mystery Harharhar, in fact it is actually very simple, if you knew how to treat others politely and with respect they would be willing and eager to teach you and share information. But when you insist on acting the petty fool, and making ratbag posts that is exactly how you will be treated.

It's all on you lad. 

So let's see now, I said:
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And you replied with:


harharharhar wrote on Sep 14^th, 2015 at 1:33am:



Thank you, this was a perfect example of your behavior.

So, because I had the nerve to agree with someone you didn't like for whatever little melodrama reasoning, and because I take the time to research and share full and proper data sets that you felt threatened your inaccurate ad-hoc understanding of the game it was important for you to post abusive, juvenile and dramabaiting comments?

Good to know. 

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Don't confuse being annoyed by your over the top snarkiness and superiority complex (as well as arrogance and willingness to suggest  that 9 years of playing this game with scrutiny has left me not understanding it's systems you fucktard) with feeling threatened.

Who's drama baiting? You love to wade into conversations with a fucking Pope hat on and your hand up and be all like "the Forest has decided to anoint the plebs with the following incontrovertible but utterly opaque pronouncements on The Game"

Dude, pull the major league bat out of your ass and stop pretending to be some fucking DDO professor on tenure track.

I'm glad you test shit, and I'm not the only one who cares about knowing what's actually going on with the game left on Vault besides 5 Foot (Munk sued to be but he's totally checked out).

But that doesn't give you any license to come in and be an arrogant prick. My understanding is no more ad hoc than you. I've spent many many more hours testing (specific to throwing) than anyone else here, probably you included. But then again I can't be sure, because with you everything must be taken "on faith".

At least I post my test results and give them the light of day for people to prove me wrong. You remain hidden behind your pseudo-intellectual trade secret bullshit. I don't care if you spend 1000 hours testing, you're still a shit cunt elitist prick.

I may be loud mouthed, obnoxious, grating, and rude, but at least I'm trying to help people here, and share what I have with everyone. Builds, tests, data, whatever. I'd rather be an asshole who's useful to people than a fake-polite self-important grandstander like you.

harharharhar wrote on Sep 14^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:


I'm going to call bullshit here, as I'm guessing Forest will be unwilling to get down in the mud with a dramaqueen like you, and because I'm still pissed about you lying about rogues. That deserves a bit more shaming, and I'm just the guy to do it. 



So, you are "trying to help people here"? really?

harharharhar wrote on Sep 7^th, 2015 at 1:39pm:


That's the post you made by accident, a couple months after lecturing the Vault all about rogues for weeks while the subject was 'hot' and in the spotlight.

Why does it matter? Because posting while pretending to be a authority on a subject you don't know is not "trying to help" it is in fact, trying to get attention.


Lastly, you said, "I'd rather be an asshole who's useful to people than a fake-polite self-important grandstander like you."

Well, first of all, made up data, self-promotion, and constant whining are not "useful".

Secondly, while you are trying to go after Forest again you missed a few things that don't support your whining, see Forest doesn't have a fraction of the number of posts you do, and in them he has gone out of his way to be genuinely polite in the face of abuse, and finally to my eye the only person who has attached any "importance" to posts made by Forest is you. So, hardly Grand-standing or fake politeness.

It must be hard for you to see that your problem is you, because your own jealousy and butthurt that he seems to be respected in a way you haven't been for the last year and wish you could be.

Oh boy, looks like I touched a nerve, made you bark and whine some more because of your precious ego, excellent. 

Let's be honest Harharhar the person doing the most damage to the vault these days is you, you have become so desperate for attention and so jealous of everyone else who isn't that you are dragging the Vault through your daily ego-crisis, and it's a bore.

So let's take another look at the helpful post that exposes you for the jealous little kid you are, and made you lash out again:



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You should be able to test whirling wrists at BAB 1.

Go to a pvp arena with someone and have them negative level you.

Munkenmo wrote on Sep 15^th, 2015 at 11:01pm:


ooh that's good

Munkenmo wrote on Sep 16^th, 2015 at 3:32am:


Hell man, that's never stopped Notharharhar! #rogues?