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Oct 21st, 2015 at 3:53pm
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Any thoughts on a good melee twf build post "balance" changes?

Was thinking maybe pure ranger with rapier and x-offhand possibly.
  
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Reply #1 - Oct 21st, 2015 at 4:17pm
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twf pure ranger dex based
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 21st, 2015 at 5:11pm
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the gimp is strong with the one.
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 21st, 2015 at 5:36pm
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Wolf but with monk instead of fighter?

Drop intelligence and increase strength if you want.

Sub in Dodge if you don't have completionist. L30 feat for 3rd monk form +1 critical multiplier.

Monk Variant Wolf
10/6/4 Druid/Ranger/Monk
Lawful Neutral Human


Level Order

1. Druid           6. Druid          11. Monk           16. Ranger
2. Monk            7. Druid          12. Druid          17. Ranger
3. Monk            8. Ranger         13. Monk           18. Ranger
4. Druid           9. Druid          14. Druid          19. Ranger
5. Druid          10. Druid          15. Druid          20. Ranger



Stats
               36pt     Tome     Level Up
               ----     ----     --------
Strength         8       +6       4: WIS
Dexterity       12       +6       8: WIS
Constitution    16       +6      12: WIS
Intelligence    14       +6      16: WIS
Wisdom          18       +6      20: WIS
Charisma         8       +6      24: WIS
                                 28: WIS


Skills
          D  M  M  D  D  D  D  R  D  D  M  D  M  D  D  R  R  R  R  R
          1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
         ------------------------------------------------------------
Concent   2  3  1  1  1     2  1  1  1     1  2  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
Heal      4           4  1     2     1           3  3  1  1  1  1  1  23
Spot      4     2  1        1  3     2        2        4  1  1     2  23
Diplo     4     2  1  1  1        2  1     3  1  1  1        3  1  1  23
Intim                    4  3     5  1     2     2  1           3  2  23
Swim      4        3        1  1     1                 4  6  1        21
Balance   2  3  1              1        7     2                       16
UMD       2  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½     ½  ½  1  ½  ½     ½  1  ½  ½     11
Tumble    1                                                            1
         ------------------------------------------------------------
         28  7  7  7  7  7  8 10  8  8  8  8  8  8  6 11 11 11 11 10
         28  7  7  7  7  7  8 10  8  8  8  8  8  8  9 11 11 11 11 11



Feats

1        : Single Weapon Fighting
1 Human  : Empower Healing Spell
2 Monk   : Stunning Fist
3        : Completionist
3 Monk   : Precision
4 Druid  : Wild Shape 1: Wolf
6        : Adept of Forms
7 Druid  : Wild Shape 1: Bear
8 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Undead
9        : Improved Single Weapon Fighting
11 Monk   : Path of Harmonious Balance
12        : Improved Critical: Bludgeoning
12 Druid  : Wild Shape 2: Winter Wolf
15        : Greater Single Weapon Fighting
18        : Natural Fighting
19 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Giant
21 Epic   : Greater Two Weapon Fighting
24 Epic   : Natural Fighting
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
27 Epic   : Natural Fighting
28 Destiny: First Blood/Whatever

Gear Layout

Something like this...

Goggles Visions of Precision - Wisdom +12, Enhanced Ki +3, Dazing X , Insightful Wisdom +4, [BLUE] [GREEN]
Head Sightless - True Seeing, Deathblock VII, Ranged Power +6, Melee Power +6, Sheltering +35, Constitution +12, [BLUE] [GREEN]
Neck Pendant of Quiet Movements - Lesser Displacement, Dodge +11%, Insightful Will Save +2, Seeker XII, [YELLOW]
Trinket Epic Litany of the Dead - +2 Profane all Abilities, +4 Profane Attack/Damage, [YELLOW or BLUE] [GREEN]
Cloak Hide of the Fallen - Druidic Survival Mastery, Shield +6, Armor-Piercing - 20%, Strength +11 [BLUE]
Belt Battlerager's Harness – Intimidate +20, Spiked, Raging Focus, Vengeful Fury, Spike Guard [GLOBE OF TRUE IMPERIAL BLOOD]
Gloves ML25 Backstabbers Gloves (Gloves) Bluff +20, Sneak Attack Bonus +5, Insightful Sneak Attack Bonus +3, Improved Deception [DRACONIC SOUL GEM]
Boots Many-Hooked Greaves - Insightful Combat Mastery +5, Strength +12, Vertigo +12, [YELLOW] [GREEN], Quality Vertigo +2
Bracers Epic Ethereal Bracers - Dexterity +11, Riposte IX, Ghostly, Deadly X, Speed XIV, Feather Falling [YELLOW or BLUE] [GREEN]
Rings
Ring of Deceit - Charisma +8, Voice of Deceit (Bluff +20, Diplomacy +20 Haggle +20 Perform +20), Improved Deception [YELLOW] [COLORLESS]
Circle of Malevolence - Improved Harm, Intimidate +25, Resistance +12, Incite +45%, Vitality +40, Insightful Sheltering +5 [YELLOW or BLUE] [GREEN]
Body Shadowscale – Fortification 130%, +3 Profane Concentration Bonus, +1 Profane tactics

Quiver Epic Quiver of Alacrity - Quiver, ML 20, Max stack 4,500; Unique capacity 3, Concentration -50, Ranged Speed XV, Stealth Strike, Insightful Sneak Attack Bonus +4, Doubleshot 8%
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Re: Post "balance" melee twf build
Reply #4 - Oct 21st, 2015 at 5:46pm
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now that's a viable idea
  
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Reply #5 - Oct 21st, 2015 at 8:04pm
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I missed the whole Druid wolf thing during my hiatus..... so I have some dumb questions. I tried searching but I got tired of Kingdickhead popping up in every thread.

Can someone explain the whole SWF and TWF on the build. What do you use when you switch to wolf.?  Is it you use SWF and the TWF feats gets you extra splash damage ? Sword and ORB??

Also do you wear heavy armor? or light armor and benefit from Evasion. ?

I have a TWF build that needs TRing. Again sorry for the dumb questions.

  
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Baddog wrote on Oct 21st, 2015 at 8:04pm:
I missed the whole Druid wolf thing during my hiatus..... so I have some dumb questions. I tried searching but I got tired of Kingdickhead popping up in every thread.

Can someone explain the whole SWF and TWF on the build. What do you use when you switch to wolf.?  Is it you use SWF and the TWF feats gets you extra splash damage ? Sword and ORB??

Also do you wear heavy armor? or light armor and benefit from Evasion. ?

I have a TWF build that needs TRing. Again sorry for the dumb questions.


yes to all of those
  

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Reply #7 - Oct 21st, 2015 at 10:40pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Oct 21st, 2015 at 8:56pm:
yes to all of those


So with yes to all those I wear heavy armor and light armor at the same time ? Awesome!

But thanks I can guess what you mean I think and I already have both light and heavy TF and blackdragon so I can experiment.


What single weapon should I use? Assuming TF .. note I only have fire Phlogs ... no shadows ... rapier or bastard sword. please no more yes to all answers Smiley suggestions eagerly welcomed.

What orb would I build ? ditto
  
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Reply #8 - Oct 21st, 2015 at 11:11pm
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Baddog, you're over-thinking this: sit back, relax, and sip a nice, ice-cold glass of Windex.
  
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Reply #9 - Oct 21st, 2015 at 11:28pm
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[] wrote on Oct 21st, 2015 at 11:11pm:
[] wrote on Oct 21st, 2015 at 5:01pm:
since they announced the nerf-holocaust: i'm done playing.


  
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Baddog wrote on Oct 21st, 2015 at 10:40pm:
So with yes to all those I wear heavy armor and light armor at the same time ? Awesome!

But thanks I can guess what you mean I think and I already have both light and heavy TF and blackdragon so I can experiment.


What single weapon should I use? Assuming TF .. note I only have fire Phlogs ... no shadows ... rapier or bastard sword. please no more yes to all answers Smiley suggestions eagerly welcomed.

What orb would I build ? ditto

you can build a wolf any way you like. centered in robes, evasion in light, or in hvy. weapons would be mortal fear+any non-TF orb.  The build only needs 2 druid levels and 2 ranger levels(make sure to take swf before the 2nd ranger level), the rest is up to you.
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I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Reply #11 - Oct 22nd, 2015 at 12:04am
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I think I get how it works now ... cheers all.

  
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Reply #12 - Oct 22nd, 2015 at 4:22pm
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I would need both Weapon Finesse feat and the Improved Weapon Finesse from DWS to make DEX the damage attribute of rapiers? OR Aerenal Grace from Elf Tier 4?
  
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Jock McSock wrote on Oct 21st, 2015 at 5:36pm:
Ring of Deceit

Why this when already wearing Backstabber's? Seems like a free slot to fit in manslayer, tendon slice or a ToD hamp ring.
  

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Improved crit is broken for Wolves
  
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Reply #15 - Oct 23rd, 2015 at 9:38am
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Justanotherlurker wrote on Oct 23rd, 2015 at 4:45am:
Improved crit is broken for Wolves


Yeah "broken".  Like they didn't mean to break it.
  
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Reply #16 - Oct 23rd, 2015 at 10:33am
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Actually im guessing not as it hurts monks and bears as well as Wolves I think this time its incompetence rather than intentional.
  
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Re: Post "balance" melee twf build
Reply #17 - Oct 23rd, 2015 at 11:45pm
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Aau wrote on Oct 21st, 2015 at 3:53pm:
Any thoughts on a good melee twf build post "balance" changes?

Was thinking maybe pure ranger with rapier and x-offhand possibly.


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