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Re: Repeater proc idea for heroic past life
Reply #25 - Dec 13th, 2015 at 8:19pm
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so what about a Great Xbow version of this that Vorpals 19-20? Double the PK proc range with Terror arrows.

Also, for boss fights, I just realized Banishing arrows stacks up -25 PRR, which I think means about an extra 18% physical damage which would stack with Vulnerability (though with PRR all things that increase damage should be magnified since PRR is the last thing taken into account for damage calculation).

  
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Reply #26 - Dec 13th, 2015 at 8:37pm
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I haven't thought that far ahead. I was thinking of swapping IC:Ranged in though, and using a Shimmering Arrowhead for Crippling and something for tendon slice, twisting stay frosty, and combining it with fear 50% move speed slow for four stacking 50% move speed slows. Otherwise everyone would hate chasing the mobs all over.

This way I get effectively paralyzing on top of instant kill.

You don't really need 90 fort DC at level 20. 82 with mechanic instead of bard seems like the right call.

What is the rate of fire of a mechanic great crossbow? That would add a ton of damage on top of everything, and make a fairly complete build.
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Re: Repeater proc idea for heroic past life
Reply #27 - Dec 13th, 2015 at 10:45pm
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harharharhar wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 8:19pm:
so what about a Great Xbow version of this that Vorpals 19-20? Double the PK proc range with Terror arrows.

Also, for boss fights, I just realized Banishing arrows stacks up -25 PRR, which I think means about an extra 18% physical damage which would stack with Vulnerability (though with PRR all things that increase damage should be magnified since PRR is the last thing taken into account for damage calculation).


Does that affect everything or just things that can be banished?
  
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Re: Repeater proc idea for heroic past life
Reply #28 - Dec 14th, 2015 at 3:03pm
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gibbon wrote on Dec 13th, 2015 at 10:45pm:
Does that affect everything or just things that can be banished?


tested yesterday and looks like it's only banishable things which is really dumb.
  
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Reply #29 - Dec 14th, 2015 at 5:24pm
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Ok so repeaters are 162 shots/min, and GXbows are 86 I think. Ish.
  
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Re: Repeater proc idea for heroic past life
Reply #30 - Dec 14th, 2015 at 10:41pm
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Ok so repeaters are 162 shots/min, and GXbows are 86 I think. Ish.


That sounds right as far as the animation goes, since my tests and research have shown it to be ~half.

You'll get a lot more doubleshots on the gxbow though.
  

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Re: Repeater proc idea for heroic past life
Reply #31 - Dec 15th, 2015 at 7:03pm
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Enhancements:

AA 27            4 DC 2 Wisdom
Elf 17                   1 DC
SS Bard 34      8 DC
SE 2                  4 Fort Debuff

Wisdom@20 = 18 + 5 level ups +5 tome + 2 ship + 7 item + 3 insight/quality + 8 ED + 2 Enhancement = 50

ED: Exalted Angel 3 DC
Twists: Wisdomx2, Draconic Presence and Spell School Specialist: Enchantment 6 DC

EE Spell Equivalent Level 20 terror arrows breakdown:
Vorpal and Not a Spell                                          6 DC
Feats                                                                 3 DC
ED total                                                              9 DC
Item  (Sage's)                                3 DC
Augment and Ship Buff                                         2 DC
Enhancements                                                    13 DC
Stats                                                                 20 DC
Base                                                                 20 DC
Cursespewing Endless Night Cannith Weapon   -6 All Saves
Debuff Fort                                                        -4 Fort Save
Debuff Fear -2 All Saves
Puncturing Cannith Weapon (approx) -2 Fort Save

84 Terror Arrows DC, with -6 Fort applied on hit @ level 20. No consumables used. So DC 84 Will and DC 90 Fort save at level 20.

Spell Pen: Unnecessary: applied on-hit.



Was on Lama a couple of days ago and tested the closest I could, the fucking xp dude was awol.

Closest I got was 15 bard, 4 ranger and 1 lock (had no elf). Didn't take exactly same feats or enhancements, some due to restrictons others because. Items also used what I had.

DC breakdown was (working from memory here):

EE Spell Equivalent Level 20 terror arrows breakdown:
Vorpal and Not a Spell                                          6 DC
Feats                                                                 2 DC
ED total                                                              9 DC
Item  (Sage's)                                3 DC
Augment and Ship Buff                                         2 DC
Enhancements                                                    11 DC
Stats                                                                 15 DC
Base                                                                 20 DC
Cursespewing Endless Night Cannith Weapon   -6 All Saves
Debuff Fort                                                        -4 Fort Save
Debuff Fear -2 All Saves
Puncturing Cannith Weapon (approx) -2 Fort Save

Total: 63 or 65 if feared I guess.

Went into LoD EE at level 28 and had no trouble with cultists, they would pop the phantasmal killer animation pretty regularly, but the dogs were tough. At that DC they were pretty likely to run away feared and not much else. Was a real pain in the ass. Found the named doggy and that was terrible, since my DPS sucked. After killing the named doggy I recalled, no time left and had spent a lot just kiting the red named.

Bottom line, need more DC than 62 to make this viable, even then not sure if the fearing will make it horrible.

Grats on the idea though, and thanks for posting it.
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Reply #32 - Dec 16th, 2015 at 4:32am
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Thx for testing it. It actually sounds like the DC is the item DC of 36, and not 65 that you built, since 65 works through Wheloon on a caster.

I think with fear and not a spell it looks like it was acting like DC 42. Probably have to pvp test this, but looks like another build foiled by bugs.
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Re: Repeater proc idea for heroic past life
Reply #33 - Dec 18th, 2015 at 8:29pm
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So arcane archer imbues are working with xbows now?
  
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Reply #34 - Dec 21st, 2015 at 3:13am
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tekel bayi wrote on Dec 18th, 2015 at 8:29pm:
So arcane archer imbues are working with xbows now?


So I did some digging and before I started playing when they first came out there was only force imbue, and it was intended and worked with repeaters.

Then they introduced new imbues, and made the imbues not work with repeaters and supposedly said somewhere it was overpowered, but there are no patch notes and I couldn't find a Dev quote, and they wouldn't answer a recent post asking about it.

Then in update 19, all the imbues started working again with repeaters and thrown, just no one cared because the imbues all sucked.

Then in update 29, the imbues no longer suck as badly, and people start to care wether or not they work, or if it is WAI.

Short answer: yes, and they have for years. And don't let anyone tell you a rad II great xbow mechanic does more damage, because the blind mobs run all over and you can't IPS them or AoE them, and it bugs the fuck out of all your other party members and makes questing take twice as long.

I'm realizing from playing with a RadII mechanic that the fear build would be the worst type of griefing you could ever do to a party.
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Re: Repeater proc idea for heroic past life
Reply #35 - Dec 21st, 2015 at 3:29am
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it bugs the fuck out of all your other party members and makes questing take twice as long.

I'm realizing from playing with a RadII mechanic that the fear build would be the worst type of griefing you could ever do to a party.

blind and fear. I like it. FoM check scroll for extra laughs.  Build should have a new name.
  

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Re: Repeater proc idea for heroic past life
Reply #36 - Dec 21st, 2015 at 9:27am
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Yep, we used to spam Fear spells and arrows to piss each other off. It's a fun scene, cats.
  
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Reply #37 - Feb 11th, 2016 at 5:04pm
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Fireshot 2.0

Human 2 Arti > 5 Ranger > 13 Rogue (7d6)

Enhancements
AA 34 9d8 Lightning Arrows Imbue/35 Spell Power
ES 24 3d6 Light dmg on hit/30 Light 12 Spell Power/Brilliance
Harper 12 KTA Int Hit/Dmg
Assassin 3 1d6
DWS 6 3d6
Human 1


Feats:
Free Feats: Repeaters (heavy + Light), Rapid Reload
1 PBS
3 WF:R
6 WF:T
9 Emp:H
12 IC:Ranged
15 IPS
18 Sneak of Shadows (15)
21 Epic SA (3d6)
24 OC
26 Spell Power
27 Haste
28 Doubleshot
29 Law or Chaos
30 Scion of Air or Ethereal?
30 Quicken

Total: 9d8 Lightning, 10 Law, 2d20 Lightning, 14d6 Sneak

ED: LD?
Twists: Pin, Whistler, Cocoon


Stats: IPS requires dex 19 and BaB 11, rest as you see fit. High int + level ups in int.
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Re: Repeater proc idea for heroic past life
Reply #38 - Feb 11th, 2016 at 6:09pm
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Is there a reason to take Law over Harbinger? Harbinger is more (10.5 on average vs 10) bane damage and the bonus alignment damage is more likely to go off since all those end game devils are lawful.
  

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Reply #39 - Feb 11th, 2016 at 7:22pm
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mm messing around. mmm the other posts mean the terror arrow thing will work.
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