This is a PSA to any ranged players, I have been testing all weekend and found one very upsetting thing.

When using a Repeating Xbow, heavy or light, the enhancement haste boost WILL NOT INCREASE your rate of fire. This includes tempest, fighter, rogue haste boosts. It also includes Legendary Dreadnaught's haste boost.

It will show a increase on the tool tips on your character sheet, but it WILL NOT INCREASE your rate of fire at all. I ran over three hundred sets of 100 bolts using various boosts, not one of them increased the rate of fire.  Every time it took between 35 and 37 seconds to clear 100 bolts with or without haste. There was no variance at all, none.

I will post here after I have finished checking GxB, long bows, and throwing. But this is a nasty surprise, and I have a sinking feeling in my stomach turbine will do nothing to about it.

Be warned. save the AP points, and spend them elsewhere.

This also includes the 30% doubleshot boost from the swashbuckler tree. 20 tests, with and without. No difference in ROF.

harharharhar wrote on Dec 21^st, 2015 at 12:59am:


Yeah, that was my impression too. I've never noticed any rate of fire changes in repeating crossbows when I use haste/haste boost/other things which alter ranged attack speed. It shows up in tooltip, but offers no tangible benefit.

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Doubleshot isn't supposed to change Rate of Fire, though. All it does is give a chance to fire an extra bolt, which it still seems to do.

It may be worth bringing up for this discussion however, that Turbine has nerfed doubleshot for repeaters; it now provides only 1/3 the benefit it used to. So for instance, 30% doubleshot on a repeater will only offer a 10% chance of shooting an extra bolt with each volley.

Rubbinns wrote on Dec 21^st, 2015 at 2:07am:



Haven't fini the GxB, but last look it was clearing 100 in 59 seconds.

Will post when done.

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If you are using finite ammo without any returning to attack, be it bolts, shuriken, etc... you will start with a stack of 100. Every time that doubleshot procs it takes one of those, it doesn't create duplicate ammo just duplicate effects like slayer, sniper, etc...

That's why Double shot can in it's way effect ROF. For instance when I have 40% non boost doubleshot working I will clear the 100 finite ammo faster, about 36-41% faster as it takes extras as it goes.

If I have 40% doubleshot (non-boost kind) I will fire 13.9 shots in the time it takes me to fire 10 shots without that doubleshot active. This I know from my tests on standing doubleshot last month, interesting fact the repeaters may not get the crazy double shot they used to before the nerf but they now keep up pretty well with bows, xbows, thrown, etc...

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The times are the same for both toons on repeaters, and the same for great crossbows?

BAB on 20 rogue, 7 epic and Tenser or in Divine Crusader, is 24. 25 BAB if level 29 and Tenser's/DC.

Did you test to see times without doubleshot static and 0 alacrity independently to see if either increased or both together still would?

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Blinding Speed doesn't increase rof, but displays on character sheet correctly? What is an auto-reloader?

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Thanks for that. Guess bug reports are going to get read and ignored.

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Times were Full BAB tensered/DC then? Not much difference from 24 to 25 BAB.

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Speed isn't supposed to stack with haste spell/potion. Just gives 20 Ranged, unlike the potion of haste giving 15%.

Mech tier 5 should be giving 30% then? Faster than haste, and blinding speed, and matches the time for just tier 5 mech with 15 or 20% haste/speed feat? That would make blinding speed faster on repeaters than taking tier 5?

I wonder whether the Arti version of haste, Armor of Speed, stacks? I'm useless for testing time-related stuff, but it's seemed to me that it doesn't increase run speed. It'd be a fucking hoot if it doesn't increase ROF, either. Pure Turbine.

Rubbinns wrote on Dec 21^st, 2015 at 3:14am:


Bug reported, PMs sent to devs, starting work on Vids for mobo post if needed.

Rubbinns wrote on Dec 21^st, 2015 at 3:14am:


Yes tensored. Not much diff on those test toons as you say.

Rubbinns wrote on Dec 21^st, 2015 at 3:14am:


Yup, because tierV "mechanical reloader" only give 10% increase on repeaters. So the blinding speed feat beats it, But you still have to take it for the 10 ranged power it gives you.


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That's cool, "shot per minute" or ROF, either one. The point is how many attacks are happening at a set rate of time. For my testing ROF is the amount of time it take to get 100 bolts sent down range at a target.

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That aspect of Mechanics is well known, and it has to be turned off to test by resetting the tree. One of the challenging and costly parts of testing is making sure things like the "fletching" your talking about are turned off during tests. That take plat and you have to do it alot. A finite ammo is the only dependable way to track actual ROF, you can't count on animation or numbers, only the depletion of ammo on hand. I test with no quivers equipped, 100 ammo in hand, and the inventory page open so you can track the ammo being consumed for timing. The cool part is that by doing that you can see when you proc double shots, you will see the ammo drop by 3, 3, 3, then 4, 3, 5, 3, 4, etc...

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Couple of things:

I'm not sure what the deal is but your coming off as pretty snarky here, I am offering info to warn people not get into some drama scene okay? 

You can only track ROF or shots per minute by tracking ammo consumption or scrolling back combat logs, you cannot go by animations. Combat log isn't great either because it severely limits the number of rounds per test due to it's short recall limit.

I may not have been clear enough, for that I apologize. The only doubleshot that is not working with repeaters, is action boost doubleshot it is similar to action boosts of haste, and as stated in the beginning of the thread those action boost hastes, and doubleshot are not working on repeaters.

Normal doubleshot is working, I've said it several times, normal non-boost doubleshot works fine.

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Not trying to be snarky or sarcastic or anything; just trying to arrive at the truth. I can't effectively control/convey tone through text alone, so I'm somewhat puzzled as to why you arrived at your conclusion.

Personally, this didn't come as a surprise to me, since I thought that most people were already aware that haste effects didn't do anything for repeaters. As for the doubleshot boost, I guess it's nice to know? That's typically irrelevant for me since I can't think of any time when it's preferable to do a bard splash for a repeater build instead of ranger/arti/or both.

I reread your posts and yes, I mistakenly overlooked/misread some parts regarding doubleshot so that's my bad. But you may want to change the title of the thread to be inclusive of the doubleshot action boost, since that's the main point of contention here, in addition to the haste boost.

Who are these idiots using repeaters?

Revaulting wrote on Dec 21^st, 2015 at 5:24am:


It's not supposed to do that.

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Doesn't everyone have free 35% striding from ship buffs now anyway?

5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 10:02am:

Well lately, my arti runs faster after casting AoS. Almost as if to mock me.