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Reply #25 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 4:19pm
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Asheras wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 2:10pm:
Your rolls don't seem to be all that off.  I saw two 19's next to two ones.  That's unlikely.  I also saw you duplicated one of your screenies to make it look like more events than there actually are.  I saw one screenie with 3 crits out of 4 rolls, even though you should only be critting 25% of the time.  Two ones in a row happening several times over the course of a 12-20 minute quest is normal, not abnormal.  Over small sample sizes, you will see outliers.  The larger the sample size, the overall activity will normalize.  To some degree.  But there will still be some outliers.  That's the random part of RNG. 
 
Another problem.  You show screenies from at least two different quests and the training dummy.  That doesn't do anything to prove they happened minutes apart vs hours, days, or months apart.




The screen caps were from Gianthold and Subversion. I was in battle and wanted to get real fight data. Anytime I saw miss floaties I screen capped them. They weren't back to back but pretty close. So yes, without video you would have to take me at my word. The dummy sample was taken pretty much back to back. The appearance of the duplicate screen shots was to show the contiguous numbers. But even after I have done all this and if I was to take video, if what I have shown doesn't even remotely elicit a "WTF is that pair of 1's showing consistently and no pairs of 20's?" reaction, any more of my claims will be considered spurious and met with the same remonstrance as some of my other posts.

AtomicMew wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 2:22pm:
Video?  Data?  Proof? 


When I asked my friends to give me the samples it was for me and me only. When I spoke to Varg and Steel it was on IRC and MoBo PM's before I was banned. When I showed them my 'evidence' they agreed the combat log was technically unreliable but would serve as a control. So am I what's wrong or the game mechanics, which is it? They wanted my info so they could clone my toon and test it out but as it appears I'm the only one having this issue, it would be another blue moon til they even think about doing anything. This really solidified my views on the current Turbine workforce to be so far out of touch with the actual game we have played for nearly a decade, I would be foolish to pursue any resolution further.
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Reply #26 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 4:43pm
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Look, I am very much willing to believe you if you showed proof.  None of us here are even a little bit turbine apologists.

The thing is, you haven't given anyone here anything remotely resembling evidence.  A screenshot of two or three 1 rolls in a row means literally nothing.  Do you know what the probability of this NOT happening, given how many times you make an attack roll on your toon?  It is so close to 0% that you couldn't even calculate the probability in standard math libraries. 

You don't need to give us your friends' sample.  Just give us a video of yours and you will be vindicated by objective mathematics if what you say is true.
  
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Reply #27 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 4:58pm
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Novalis wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 4:19pm:
When I spoke to Varg and Steel it was on IRC and MoBo PM's before I was banned. When I showed them my 'evidence' they agreed the combat log was technically unreliable but would serve as a control.


So this wasn't actually posted anywhere at all except in pm's to you. Good to know before I bothered looking through the list of dev fails on the mobo.


Novalis wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 4:19pm:
as it appears I'm the only one having this issue, it would be another blue moon til they even think about doing anything. This really solidified my views on the current Turbine workforce to be so far out of touch with the actual game we have played for nearly a decade, I would be foolish to pursue any resolution further.


Regardless of my own opinion of the devs, you're upset that they didn't want to drop the entire mountain of backlogged shit they have to do so they can focus on your hunch that your character might be statistically disadvantaged?

Yeah, I'm gonna leave that as it stands, I think.
  
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Reply #28 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 5:38pm
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AtomicMew wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 4:43pm:
Look, I am very much willing to believe you if you showed proof.  None of us here are even a little bit turbine apologists.

The thing is, you haven't given anyone here anything remotely resembling evidence.  A screenshot of two or three 1 rolls in a row means literally nothing.  Do you know what the probability of this NOT happening, given how many times you make an attack roll on your toon?  It is so close to 0% that you couldn't even calculate the probability in standard math libraries. 

You don't need to give us your friends' sample.  Just give us a video of yours and you will be vindicated by objective mathematics if what you say is true. 


I appreciate the sentiment but after so much time and effort who could blame me for giving up seeking methods of resolve? But now after this new update, there are new mechanics after the hotfix and etr's I've done. After I'm done working on my current toon I will revisit the issue and see where I stand. Maybe after the last few update patches things have changed. When my other toon was bugged I tr'd and that fixed it. But you gotta admit, bugs like the one I claim to have had or no bug, this last 3 months on DDO have been one frustrating clusterfuck.
  
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Reply #29 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 6:04pm
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Novalis, I mean no disrespect. When I began this thread I actually had no idea you were a vaulty(I respect vaulties, except for KNN and related socks).

I guess what everyone has trouble with is the notion that you have some kind of bizarly specific bug that "makes you roll too many 1s". It's difficulty to contemplate how a big like that would even exist, the random number generator would have to somehow not be random, which kind of defeats the purpose.
  

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Reply #30 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 6:36pm
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Novalis, you can relax: noam is a complete cock sucker, and all but the most loathed forum members ignore him; except to occasionally ridicule him.  I don't know why you even bothered responding to his bullshit; don't tell me you actually give a fuck.

I like how noam dick-tucks like a little pussy with an apology claiming he "meant no disrespect" after calling Novalis an "Annoying...bitch...(that) won't shut up."  Nothing disrespectful about that.
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Reply #31 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 6:44pm
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noamineo wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 6:04pm:
Novalis, I mean no disrespect. When I began this thread I actually had no idea you were a vaulty(I respect vaulties, except for KNN and related socks).

I guess what everyone has trouble with is the notion that you have some kind of bizarly specific bug that "makes you roll too many 1s". It's difficulty to contemplate how a big like that would even exist, the random number generator would have to somehow not be random, which kind of defeats the purpose.



Thank you and no worries. To be fair and honest I came over to the vault after my all but inevitable ban from the MoBo's over more than likely petitioning for a replacement for Cordovan and assisting someone in leaving the game after getting a refund. But I like it here, like a punk dive bar I never knew about.  Grin

But I will concur, the things I have stated are way out in scope. But it starts with little things, like when I tried to point out  other issues. When this dice bug became highly flagrant about 4 months ago, it was well after I was trying to make sense of other rogue issues, such as why do I drop like a rock in mid air anchored to the ground and miss 7 out of 10 hits when I use shrouding strike? Or why can I not drop into sneak when popping consume from Shadowdancer ED when the description clearly states I'm free to do other actions? I will concede alot of it comes from my perspective as a player but there are other things I can easily reach out and see if anyone else is having the same issues. In the thread I linked you will see Dameron SC his double 1's on the last page.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/467268-Absolutely-game-breaking-dice-b...

Now while this is far from a reason for canonization, it let me know I'm wasn't the only one seeing this. What I really wanted was a dev to just take 5 minutes and watch me live with whatever rig they got and see where I'm coming up with all these 1's. I would have even been happy if they said I was hitting so much so fast that I exponentially increased my roll rate. So long as it was explained to me in a straight way I would have been fine and accepted it. But I cannot ignore all the 1's I've rolled with the blatant lack of 20's with no balance or explanation whatsoever.

It's been 2 updates and however many patches and some etr's since then. Once I'm done building another current toon I'll go back and see what might have changed and how many previously persisting problems have remained. I do know my to-hit bonus needs work with the new higher lv stuff. I'm missing on rolls of 9. Time for me to get some random gen accuracy loot.  Undecided
  
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Reply #32 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 6:47pm
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lol Potty is trying to make new friends, how cute.
  

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Reply #33 - Jan 14th, 2016 at 7:19pm
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[] wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 6:36pm:
Novalis, you can relax: noam is a complete cock sucker, and all but the most loathed forum members ignore him; except to occasionally ridicule him.  I don't know why you even bothered responding to his bullshit; don't tell me you actually give a fuck.

I like how noam dick-tucks like a little pussy with an apology claiming he "meant no disrespect" after calling Novalis an "Annoying...bitch...(that) won't shut up."  Nothing disrespectful about that.


Totally and utterly relaxed over here. I prefer to not make or take things personally as that seems to be the main weapon of the forum fanboi face fuckers. I chose to keep it about specific issues to avoid strawman arguments leading down into shit creek. It was actually the other post referencing my MoBo thread then the retort I deserved to roll 1's that prompted the response. Kinda like picking on the old bearded guy at a bar and when he stands up he's 6 ft 5 and wearing a Hell's Angels vest. But nonetheless this is still pretty funny. Wink
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I like how noam dick tucks

I'm sure you do.  Thanks for sharing.   
  
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Reply #35 - Jan 15th, 2016 at 12:31am
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Novalis wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 7:19pm:
when he stands up he's 6 ft 5 and wearing a Hell's Angels vest. But nonetheless this is still pretty funny. Wink



Let me see if I have this right, feel free to correct me if I have it wrong, but are you actually referring to yourself as the forum equivalent of the 6 ft 5 hell's angle in this story?
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Grand wrote on Jan 15th, 2016 at 12:31am:
Let me see if I have this right, feel free to correct me if I have it wrong, but are you actually referring to yourself as the forum equivalent of the 6 ft 5 hell's angle in this story?


That's a bit taken out of context but let me explain my reasoning behind the metaphor. It was based out of the reaction from OP and the retraction pointed out by Mr Interesting. I compared it to something else that made sense to me. Nothing personal. Merely anecdotal. 
  
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Novalis wrote on Jan 15th, 2016 at 2:25am:
That's a bit taken out of context but let me explain my reasoning behind the metaphor. It was based out of the reaction from OP and the retraction pointed out by Mr Interesting. I compared it to something else that made sense to me. Nothing personal. Merely anecdotal. 



Dammit! a calm well reasoned response framed in a conciliatory manner.... shit. I was really hoping for another loser who was the legend in his own mind type. I do so love to hassle those types. But you sir are made of better stuff.

Tip O'the hat to you.
  
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Novalis wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 7:19pm:
I prefer to not make or take things personally as that seems to be the main weapon of the forum fanboi face fuckers.

Too true, I remember all of the fanbois heaping scorn on the first people to report scrolls not dropping "Oh, it's just that you don't understand statistics". And then, wow, it turns out to be true  Shocked

I have no idea if you're rolling an unnatural number of ones, but I wouldn't be surprised if some Turdbin bug left you rolling d8s instead of d20s, it's totally their style. Good luck proving it, though, that's an uphill battle.

I don't know if it will help you, but I used to make a lot of presentations with statistics, and frequency analysis (how many 1s out of 500 rolls selected at random) seems to be much more convincing than run analysis (how many 1s in a row you got). Not in a mathematical sense, but in a human psychology sense. YMMV.
  

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Meursault wrote on Jan 15th, 2016 at 2:45am:
I wouldn't be surprised if some Turdbin bug left you rolling d8s instead of d20s

I think most of the time i'm rolling a d3...
  

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Grand wrote on Jan 15th, 2016 at 2:28am:
Dammit! a calm well reasoned response framed in a conciliatory manner.... shit. I was really hoping for another loser who was the legend in his own mind type. I do so love to hassle those types. But you sir are made of better stuff.

Tip O'the hat to you.


You're a cum sneezing faggot who's had laps run all up and down his ass by every fake tough guy to show up and drop trou in your face.  That you ENJOY it doesn't mean you did anything of value; except get FUCKED every day due to sheer and utter stupidity on your part. 

You're a total victim dude, and I strongly suspect that's how your life off this forum plays out (assuming you have one, if not, then this IS your life; complete victim.)
  
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Reply #41 - Jan 15th, 2016 at 9:42am
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Grand wrote on Jan 15th, 2016 at 2:28am:
Dammit! a calm well reasoned response framed in a conciliatory manner.... shit. I was really hoping for another loser who was the legend in his own mind type. I do so love to hassle those types. But you sir are made of better stuff.

Tip O'the hat to you.


Oh, he's a loser who is a legend in his own mind.  You just have to remember that last month he was linking his creative writing posts and Noob PSA's from the mobo in every thread possible. 

That doesn't mean that he hasn't stumbled on a valid issue here.  There jsut isn't enough data yet to make a case one way or another.  Unfortunately, to prove the case, you would need to do much more extensive testing and logging.  Not sure Novalis, or anybody, is willing to do the research necessary.  And without it, any claims can be dismissed as anecdotal.   
  
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Asheras wrote on Jan 15th, 2016 at 9:42am:
Oh, he's a loser who is a legend in his own mind.  You just have to remember that last month he was linking his creative writing posts and Noob PSA's from the mobo in every thread possible. 

That doesn't mean that he hasn't stumbled on a valid issue here.  There jsut isn't enough data yet to make a case one way or another.  Unfortunately, to prove the case, you would need to do much more extensive testing and logging.  Not sure Novalis, or anybody, is willing to do the research necessary.  And without it, any claims can be dismissed as anecdotal.   


Ahh, well I don't haunt the mobo so much anymore so I can only judge on Vault activity in this case. And he did seem to walk it back, which in this zoo is a good sign.
  
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Reply #43 - Jan 15th, 2016 at 9:06pm
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Asheras wrote on Jan 15th, 2016 at 9:42am:
Oh, he's a loser who is a legend in his own mind.  You just have to remember that last month he was linking his creative writing posts and Noob PSA's from the mobo in every thread possible. 
 



who is Geoff Hannah?
  

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Yobai wrote on Jan 15th, 2016 at 9:06pm:
who is Geoff Hannah?



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I see a lot of bitching and few attempts at figuring it out. Have you tried taking all your gear off, zeroing out your enhancements, stepping into an empty destiny and trying the dummy again?
  
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Reply #46 - Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:05pm
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Novalis wrote on Jan 14th, 2016 at 4:19pm:
When I spoke to Varg and Steel it was on IRC and MoBo PM's before I was banned. When I showed them my 'evidence' they agreed the combat log was technically unreliable but would serve as a control.


I am wondering how these two things can be used together in a sentence.  How can the combat log be both 'technically unreliable' and also serve as a 'control?'

They seem to be mutually exclusive.

I've bitched about the combat log a few times on the mobo, because it is obvious that it is a complete fail even without any charges of logging bad numbers or a failed random number generator.  My gripes never got any support and the devs never responded, so it was just another splash in the shit pond.
  

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Digimonk wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:58pm:
I will not chone.

I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect.


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Frank wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 8:05pm:
I am wondering how these two things can be used together in a sentence.  How can the combat log be both 'technically unreliable' and also serve as a 'control?'



Oh this one is easy to answer.

In the face of incontrertible evidence, they acknowledge there is a problem... but they can't two fucks about fixing it, so it's good enough.
This would appear to be the consistent Turbine ethos I am seeing as I read through the Vault and seeng the unedited (if not slightly darker and colorful) history of DDO.
  
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