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Utility for cleric nowadays? (builds suggestions)
Feb 8th, 2016 at 12:17pm
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Hello all,

So, I do like playing cleric (healer - I do like the aura, burst, etc.) but playing a healer nowadays is boring as hell since everyone is self-healer.

So I've been trying some alternatives to my cleric, so he can be useful when not healing.

DPS, trapping, whatever.

Suggestions? I'm actually a PDK with high CHA for Greatsword damage with some pally/fighter splashes, but it SUCKS.

Not sure it can be saved, but if not, I can use a +20 Heart and start over.

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Reply #1 - Feb 8th, 2016 at 12:18pm
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Do you even WIS based Favored Soul, faggot?
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Reply #2 - Feb 8th, 2016 at 12:25pm
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NO...u cant do anything as a cleric in end game contents beside piking....

You definitely can play any cleric build like warpreist,but they are...flavours.. Cheesy
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 8th, 2016 at 1:39pm
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DC casting is only thing divines are any good at but you're not as good as Wizard cause no Mass Hold or Danceballs. Not even really as good as Druid cause no Earthquake, no Mantle of the Icy Soul (effectively +4 DC's), and you don't do as much damage with Burst of Glacial Wrath which is a pretty neat spell.

You can go for spell DPS but you're not as good as sorc, let alone Warlock or pretty much any melee build.

Just max your WIS, max it to all hell and hope for the best. Clerics are not useless, they're just kinda not optimal.

Perhaps wait for u30 cause deep gnome will be +4 WIS. And we'll eventually get a caster/cleric pass but than could be a long time from now.
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 9th, 2016 at 12:25am
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Have to agree with Gig, DC casting is about the only thing a Cleric can do these days.
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 9th, 2016 at 6:59am
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Wait for the next Lamannia weekend. Some builders are working on healer+AA+Shiradi builds that look quite promising.
You can build a WIS based elven Cleric or Soul and use paralyzing arrows, nerfe venom and pin between heals. The elemental arrows can be used for a moderated amount of damage when no CC is needed. Heals + LE CC + any non trivial amount of damage is better than a plain healer.
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Galadriel wrote on Feb 9th, 2016 at 12:25am:
Have to agree with Gig, DC casting is about the only thing a Cleric can do these days.

Bollocks. People just need to learn to play. There's no quest you can't do.
I wouldn't go full retard DCs, max spellpower with reasonable DCs is better imo.
DC hjealer is one trick pony helpless against deathwarded or immune trash and bosses.
  
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Reply #8 - Feb 9th, 2016 at 10:48pm
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2 druid 5 ranger 13 cleric swf twf wolf

Heal +Amerliorating Strike built in.

DoD, balanced attacks, sense weakness + LD for dps.

Also works for FVS past life.

But you are screwed, since you are LG.

You could use the repeater proc idea. Ranger/Warlock/X.
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Wipe wrote on Feb 9th, 2016 at 11:15am:
Bollocks. People just need to learn to play. There's no quest you can't do.
I wouldn't go full retard DCs, max spellpower with reasonable DCs is better imo.
DC hjealer is one trick pony helpless against deathwarded or immune trash and bosses.


Nobody said go retard with the DC. However you still need a viable enough DC to have it land. The down side is slightly less crit and spell power.

Also last time I checked, deathward/immunity wasn't something that prevented DC casters from being useful. If you can't instakill it, you can CC it and kill it with minimal effort and bosses leave all casters in the same boat with just varying degrees of spell power.
  
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Reply #10 - Feb 10th, 2016 at 9:50am
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DC Casting on a divine can be really fun. My FvS can get an Evo DC up to 88 at the moment with temp stat buffs.  Implosion is still the best spell in the game.  (Unless you count Hurl thru Hell).  Because it works on everything.  You take Greater Command and Destruction too.  Destruction for when Implosion is timered and Greater Command to attack High Fort/Low will save mobs that you are having a hard time imploding.  Greater Command is almost as good as hold, except it doesn't generate helpless state.  But with a high DC, they will be sitting down for a long time. 

You need to get some light spell power going as your boss DPS option.  Divine Power is really strong and there are some SLA's that really lower the spell point cost of doing DPS. 

Your boss DPS is the biggest weak area, imo, for a divine.  Unless you want to say screw the DC casting and go full Light Spell Power.  If you do that, you can get your spell power up in the 700-800 range and really bring the hurt, but, as mentioned, it will still lag behind Sorc and Warlock.  And you won't have the DC's to CC or insta-kill anything.  (Assuming you run EE and LH/LE.  If you are running EN/EH/LN then your DC's may still work).
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 1st, 2016 at 10:30am
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Alrite peeps, I'll give these ideas a try. Thanks a lot.

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string table error, tableDID wrote on Feb 9th, 2016 at 6:59am:
You can build a WIS based elven Cleric or Soul and use paralyzing arrows, nerfe venom and pin between heals. The elemental arrows can be used for a moderated amount of damage when no CC is needed. Heals + LE CC + any non trivial amount of damage is better than a plain healer.

You are doing god's work, sir. Wait, is The Undying Court a god? It's kinda confusing. Maybe you're just making it easier for Auberon & Titania to keep fucking with people.
  

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Reply #13 - Mar 2nd, 2016 at 12:32pm
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Asheras wrote on Feb 10th, 2016 at 9:50am:
DC Casting on a divine can be really fun

Dunno man, I just made tier 3 GS Wis stick and went full retard DCs this life ( again ) and just thought why the fuck do I bother.
92 or 93 evo and 75 ish other schools and I can't kill fucking kobolds reliably and without blowing sp like mad.
Plus still have to have spell pen twisted - even with taking some feats and having all spell pen past lives.

Full spellpower build just feels much stronger.
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Wipe wrote on Feb 9th, 2016 at 11:15am:
Bollocks. People just need to learn to play. There's no quest you can't do.
I wouldn't go full retard DCs, max spellpower with reasonable DCs is better imo.
DC hjealer is one trick pony helpless against deathwarded or immune trash and bosses.


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Wipe wrote on Mar 2nd, 2016 at 12:32pm:
Dunno man, I just made tier 3 GS Wis stick and went full retard DCs this life ( again ) and just thought why the fuck do I bother.
92 or 93 evo and 75 ish other schools and I can't kill fucking kobolds reliably and without blowing sp like mad.
Plus still have to have spell pen twisted - even with taking some feats and having all spell pen past lives.



Heheheheheeh. Proof people know how to play, they just don't fucking care enough to do so.
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Revaulting wrote on Mar 2nd, 2016 at 2:15am:
You are doing god's work, sir. Wait, is The Undying Court a god? It's kinda confusing. Maybe you're just making it easier for Auberon & Titania to keep fucking with people.


The best way to do this is with a /3 Monk Thrower in Shiradi (I know I know, here come the flames) but hear me out.

-With VERY little investment you will get FAR more projectiles to proc your CC/Terror Arrows/Nerve Venom/Rainbow
-With only like a 60 DC from Para arrows you will paralyze everything basically with one throw animation (assuming IPS)
-Elemental Arrows will actually give you Appreciable, SP-free DPS on bosses/red names
-You really don't need 20 Levels of cleric to be a great healer and buffer.
-You can make nice Spell Power/DC/Level drain Shurikens if you have TF mats

You can go a step further and do a hybrid with /6Monk for 10k and if you get your Wisdom to 70-80  you will get that much Range Power during 10k and actually start doing some damage.

I like the idea of 17/3 the most, personally.

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Heheheheheeh. Proof people know how to play, they just don't fucking care enough to do so.

Touché. But I' ll be always trying !
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harharharhar wrote on Mar 2nd, 2016 at 1:12pm:
The best way to do this is with a /3 Monk Thrower in Shiradi (I know I know, here come the flames) but hear me out.

-With VERY little investment you will get FAR more projectiles to proc your CC/Terror Arrows/Nerve Venom/Rainbow
-With only like a 60 DC from Para arrows you will paralyze everything basically with one throw animation (assuming IPS)
-Elemental Arrows will actually give you Appreciable, SP-free DPS on bosses/red names
-You really don't need 20 Levels of cleric to be a great healer and buffer.
-You can make nice Spell Power/DC/Level drain Shurikens if you have TF mats

You can go a step further and do a hybrid with /6Monk for 10k and if you get your Wisdom to 70-80  you will get that much Range Power during 10k and actually start doing some damage.

I like the idea of 17/3 the most, personally.



This is what I did myself because I needed monk past lives anyway (15 cleric/3monk/2figther). But I never advice others (without XP stones in stock) to roll toons with mechanics that might get fixed soon. And the rof with bows is more than sufficient to get reliable LE CC.
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string table error, tableDID wrote on Mar 3rd, 2016 at 1:11am:
This is what I did myself because I needed monk past lives anyway (15 cleric/3monk/2figther). But I never advice others (without XP stones in stock) to roll toons with mechanics that might get fixed soon. And the rof with bows is more than sufficient to get reliable LE CC.


3 Monk doesnt get you PLs

no one said they're going to fix the imbues anytime soon
  
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harharharhar wrote on Mar 3rd, 2016 at 1:19am:
3 Monk doesnt get you PLs

no one said they're going to fix the imbues anytime soon


Yeah.. darn booze. Have some +5 hearts stocked but 8 levels monk and three levels of fighter still leaves 9 levels of cleric. Guess it's time to burn two for one pastlive again. Excessive surplus of  resources makes me lazy.
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BOY DO I HAVE A SHITTY BUILD FOR YOU

6 levels of warlock, take everything in ES but the top row (yes really) so your aura hits every 4 seconds. Go fiend pact, make sure you have light damage on hit.

5 levels of Bard for Blow by Blow, swashbuckle using shortswords and a buckler. CHA to damage, fuck dex/str/int/everything that isn't Cha/Con.

9 levels of Cleric, play a Drow and choose Vulkoor for the shortsword buffs, take the shortsword buff feats and SWF, go up and down Warpriest for that fire/light spell power and that shortsword shit.

So you see where this is going? Shortswords work with swashbuckling and with warpriest, fire pact works with warpriest and with ES Aura and cleave DMG.

Your damage should be on par with warlocks in heroics and so far is working very well for me. I've literally never seen it before, either, but I needed a cleric past life and well here we are.
  

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Sailias wrote on Mar 5th, 2016 at 12:36am:
BOY DO I HAVE A SHITTY BUILD FOR YOU

6 levels of warlock, take everything in ES but the top row (yes really) so your aura hits every 4 seconds. Go fiend pact, make sure you have light damage on hit.

5 levels of Bard for Blow by Blow, swashbuckle using shortswords and a buckler. CHA to damage, fuck dex/str/int/everything that isn't Cha/Con.

9 levels of Cleric, play a Drow and choose Vulkoor for the shortsword buffs, take the shortsword buff feats and SWF, go up and down Warpriest for that fire/light spell power and that shortsword shit.

So you see where this is going? Shortswords work with swashbuckling and with warpriest, fire pact works with warpriest and with ES Aura and cleave DMG.

Your damage should be on par with warlocks in heroics and so far is working very well for me. I've literally never seen it before, either, but I needed a cleric past life and well here we are.


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5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 5th, 2016 at 9:45am:
hmm


If you want to see it in action* pm me, I have a level 11 running around with the core of this done. It's a variant on the Warlock/Bard/Fighter ES mix that does similar things, this just uses cleric instead of fighter because past life.

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I would think 3/8/9 and go warlock t5 to focus more on the aura. It's only 1 per 4 seconds though. You could also do 10/10 if you just want to blast since there's a ton of light SP in DD. Then again you could do 17/3 or 14/6 and just focus on melee.
  

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Really? With the non-winter wolf? Is that good enough for epics?
  
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