Why do morons on the motherboards think that eliminating BB will get us to play on settings less than Elite?   

Especially in heroics.

Bigjunk wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 10:35am:


They’re morons, it’s what they do.

Bigjunk wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 10:35am:


Depends how it's done and if they kill the rest ( Dungeon scaling, Dungeon Alert ).

And if they bring back the old underlevel bonus to replace the (not)Bravery One.

Doing VON3 with LVL 5 Characters is a challenge, even on Normal.

I would guess one would be Devils Assault, because no BB.

Can't think of any others.

Winter Is Coming!!!

Bigjunk wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 10:35am:


I was unaware that this was the moronic position to take.

I remember back before BB was introduced, the standard way that most EXP parties ran was a few runs of normal, then hard, then elite (or alternately, normal, then hard farm, then elite). This was one of the quicker ways to milk a quest for what it was worth, and was what people would do since there was no real incentive to run elite first. It makes sense that if turbine removed BB, then things would likely revert to how they used to be, as there would again be no real incentive to run elite first.

Personally I love the effect BB has had on my own leveling, but think it's been disastrous for new players and for grouping. What it does is it heavily encourages all players--regardless of how experienced they are--to run quests on elite. As a result, you get a lot of fucktards and downright idiots joining quests on elite when their builds really aren't meant for it, or when they have absolutely no clue about the quest.

My old-school mentality has trained me to believe, and rightly so in my opinion, that "elite" means you should be a competent player who knows what s/he's doing. I don't like how if I put up a LFM these days for elite, I'll get a party full of incompetent idiots. These are people who should be running on lower difficulties, but who have been programmed to run everything on elite because of BB. What BB has done is to incentivize me to just solo the entire game, except for those few quests which absolutely require extra bodies. And that's not a good position for any "MMO" to be, where it puts people in a position that encourages them to solo content, rather than encouraging them to group up.

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 7:25pm:


lol

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Pretty much all of this.

Back in the day when I started, I actually read the quest description for "Normal, Hard and Elite" and ran things on Normal, because I didn't know the game and had no clue what I was doing. I then ran Hard if I gained a level or needed more XP.

I didn't run Elite unless I had to, and I actively avoided it otherwise. My entire Guild was full of people just like me then too. The LFMs were full of us newbs bumbling through quests with our Ember Longswords.

Now we're all surly completionist vets with a dozen toons each on multiple TRs so our perspective has changed.

I almost never see an LFM for anything other than Elite unless it's Epic or Legendary.

So yeah, while I also love BB for soloing XP, I have to agree there should be a better system in place to incentivize the other difficulties.

Or at least make it less punitive for new/ unprepared/ crappy players to run not-Elite.

Of course, that sort of change would kind of be "Closing the barn door once the horses have run" like they did with the No Death Bonus, but anything that slows the bleeding at this point would be a welcome change.

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Or solo on normal.

I helped a new player a couple of months ago, he was in a quest on normal and he and his hireling had died and he didn't want to lose the hour and a half he'd already invested so he asked for help on general and I went in and raised him. We chatted a bit, and he said he runs all his quests on normal solo because he can only find elite LFMs and he hates feeling like a useless lump riding in somebody's backpack.

Not seeing LFMs is bad enough, seeing LFMs but only ones that will make you feel inadequate has got to be worse. And that's all a new player would see now. I don't know if killing the bravery bonus is the answer, but I'm pretty sure adding 200 more levels of crafting grind isn't 

Revaulting wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 8:40pm:


I've campaigned for Max Favour to be moved to Hard many times.
Just change from 2,4,6 {let's ignore Casual but it does give half of normal favour too} and 4,8,12 etc. N/H/E to 3,6 and 6,12 etc. N/H/nothing extra for Elite.

I promise you if the above happened I'd personally not step foot {my characters that is} in Elite again outside of Sagas which I tend to only do the Epic ones once per life anyway and just farm Heroic GH on a Lvl 30 Warlock who can get 4 saga completions on a 3hr pot on top of the original completion before drinking said pot!

Change Sagas to give Max Renown Reward on Hard as well and I'll NEVER Step foot in an Elite again!

Those are literally the ONLY TWO REASONS I RUN ELITE AT ALL!

Favour AND Renown!

If they removed BB that would be 1 thing taken away from VIPs. Who gives a shit about opening Elite when you just farm quests on n/h/e?

Revaulting wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 4:48am:

LordHumungus wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 11:37pm:

Hmmm, I've had that happen once in GoP, also at the end fight (as if people die in there anywhere else) but I thought it was a fluke.  But that's the only time I haven't been able to re-enter as long as I make the timer.

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 6:41am:

Were you using a hireling or had you invited someone to party before re-entering? Breaking or forming a party would cause it to ignore the 5 minute timer. A hireling getting dismissed when you release would probably count.