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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9183 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Miss Chances - how are all these calculated? Jul 20^th, 2016 at 6:42pm	Print Post
	20% Miss chance from Blur item 35% Miss Chance from Incoproreal(Improved Shroud in Wraith form) 50% miss chance from Displacement Obviously these don't all stack, so when you are attacked, is each one calculated separately? I feel like nothing should be able to hit me with all of these active.

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Starkjade Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Rogue Scholar Posts: 7082 Location: Canadia Joined: Aug 27^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Miss Chances - how are all these calculated? Reply #1 - Jul 20^th, 2016 at 6:47pm	Print Post
	Displacement overwrites Blur, same bonus (concealment). Separate rolls for concealment and incorporeal.

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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: Miss Chances - how are all these calculated? Reply #2 - Jul 20^th, 2016 at 7:08pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Jul 20^th, 2016 at 6:42pm: Obviously these don't all stack, so when you are attacked, is each one calculated separately? Sort of. There are what, 4 types of miss chance (AC, Dodge, Concealment, Incorporeality)? Each of those rolls independently. Due to math, a 25% miss chance from each of those does not equal 100% chance of being missed. Concealment is canceled out by True Sight. Incorporeality is canceled out by Ghost Touch/Ghostbane/Ghostly/etc. AC is canceled out by Turbine. And Dodge is canceled out by your AC (i.e., your own armor), plus an arbitrary cap in case you found a way around being Turbined. Blur and Displace are both Concealment; Displace will raise the miss chance to 50%, and when it runs out you'll go back to 20% from Blur (or 10% from Ghostly or Dusk, or 25% from Lesser Displacement). I'm sure somebody else has better and more in-depth details.

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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9183 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Miss Chances - how are all these calculated? Reply #3 - Jul 20^th, 2016 at 7:22pm	Print Post
	Nah that about summs it up, thanks!

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somenewnoob Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 751 Joined: Mar 10^th, 2016	Re: Miss Chances - how are all these calculated? Reply #4 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 9:18am	Print Post
	This is just a copy paste that I refer to, might be outdated: Multiple sources of Concealment do not stack, nor do multiple sources of Incorporeal. Personal Concealment (can be negated by true seeing): Item effect: Dusk. 10% concealment. Item effect: Smoke Screen. 20% concealment. Item effect: Blurry. 20% concealment. Monk finishing move: Dance of Clouds: 20% concealment. Works on friendly NPCs. Spell: Blur. 20% concealment. Item effect: Lesser Displacement. 25% concealment. Spell: Shadow Walk. 50% concealment (lost if you interact/fight). Spell: Displacement. 50% concealment. Blindness: All opponents are considered to have total (50%) concealment to the blinded character. Area of Effect Concealment (cannot be negated by true seeing): Level 1 Spell: Obscuring Mist. 20% concealment. Level 2 Spell: Fog Cloud. 20% concealment. Level 3 Spell: Stinking Cloud. 20% concealment. Level 4 Spell: Solid Fog. 20% concealment. Level 5 Spell: Cloudkill. 20% concealment. Level 6 Spell: Acid Fog. 20% concealment (Blocked by Freedom of Movement and Red/Purple named are immune). Level 8 Spell: Incendiary Cloud. 20% concealment. Incorporeality: 10% - Feywild Tap (Elf enhancement) 10% - Ghostly (item enchantment) 25% - Ghostly Essence (Shadar-kai enhancement) 25% - Shadow Veil (Ninja Spy 3rd core enhancement) 25% - Shadow Form (Shadowdancer epic destiny) 25% - Shroud of the Wraith (Pale Master 4th core enhancement) 25% - Walk with the Spirits (Primal Avatar epic destiny) 35% - Shroud of the Wraith with Improved Shrouding (Pale Master T5 enhancement)

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crunch Stormreaver Piker Offline Posts: 745 Location: Europe Joined: Mar 20^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Miss Chances - how are all these calculated? Reply #5 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 11:20am	Print Post
	Looks like taken from the wiki, there've been some minor updates, for example in the Incorporeality section http://ddowiki.com/page/Incorporeal Players can gain an Incorporeal miss chance via: 10% � � Feywild Tap (Elf enhancement) - 10% � � Ghostly (item enchantment) - 10% 25% � � Shadow Veil (Ninja Spy 3rd core enhancement) � � Ghostly Essence (Shadar-kai enhancement) � � Shadar-kai past life feat (temporary effect) � � Shadow Form (Shadowdancer epic destiny) � � Shroud of the Wraith (Pale Master 4th core enhancement) � � Walk with the Spirits (Primal Avatar epic destiny) 35% � � Shroud of the Wraith with Improved Shrouding (Pale Master T5 enhancement) +5% stacking � � Tempest_enhancements#Whirlwind (Ranger enhancement)


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Illiterate Titan Demolisher Offline Yataaaa Posts: 359 Location: France Joined: Jul 31^st, 2010 Gender:	Re: Miss Chances - how are all these calculated? Reply #6 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 12:23pm	Print Post
	Less time on the vault, more time reading the wiki will do you good

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Digimonk Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1573 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2015	Re: Miss Chances - how are all these calculated? Reply #7 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 12:28pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Jul 20^th, 2016 at 6:42pm: 20% Miss chance from Blur item 35% Miss Chance from Incoproreal(Improved Shroud in Wraith form) 50% miss chance from Displacement Obviously these don't all stack, so when you are attacked, is each one calculated separately? I feel like nothing should be able to hit me with all of these active. If only there were a website that had all of this information with a detailed explanation... lazy ass


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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: Miss Chances - how are all these calculated? Reply #8 - Jul 21^st, 2016 at 6:13pm	Print Post
	Hmm. I wonder if anyone's mentioned that this info can be found on the wiki yet?

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[] Madame President Offline Posts: 10532 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2015	Re: Miss Chances - how are all these calculated? Reply #9 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 12:38am	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Jul 20^th, 2016 at 6:42pm: 20% Miss chance from Blur item 35% Miss Chance from Incoproreal(Improved Shroud in Wraith form) 50% miss chance from Displacement Obviously these don't all stack, so when you are attacked, is each one calculated separately? I feel like nothing should be able to hit me with all of these active. Stupid niggers think you're a stupid nigger, stupid nigger.


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Digimonk Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 1573 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2015	Re: Miss Chances - how are all these calculated? Reply #10 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 10:53am	Print Post



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Grand Ex Member I Love Drama!	Re: Miss Chances - how are all these calculated? Reply #11 - Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 5:43pm	Print Post
	I've found that I get my best results if I can get Miss Chance loaded before playing.


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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: Miss Chances - how are all these calculated? Reply #12 - Jul 23^rd, 2016 at 7:06pm	Print Post
	Grand wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2016 at 5:43pm: I've found that I get my best results if I can get Miss Chance loaded before playing. Sometimes I could swear Miss Chance is high, but I've never seen her take a hit.

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[some shit] Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 378 Joined: Oct 16^th, 2013	Re: Miss Chances - how are all these calculated? Reply #13 - Jul 24^th, 2016 at 6:40am	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Jul 20^th, 2016 at 6:42pm: 20% Miss chance from Blur item 35% Miss Chance from Incoproreal(Improved Shroud in Wraith form) 50% miss chance from Displacement Obviously these don't all stack, so when you are attacked, is each one calculated separately? I feel like nothing should be able to hit me with all of these active. You forgot the default 5% chance of the enemy missing due to AC, unless that's changed. The 50% and the 35% both work and are calculated separately. Think of it as half of incoming attacks miss because of displacement, and then 35% of the ones that penetrate displacement miss, and then 5% of the ones that penetrate both miss. Which means you can work out the effective chance of enemies missing, if you wanted.


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Miss Chances - how are all these calculated? Reply #14 - Jul 24^th, 2016 at 3:08pm	Print Post
	.95 AC x .5 displacement x .75 incorp x .75 dodge = 26.71875% chance to be hit = 73.28125 miss chance

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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: Miss Chances - how are all these calculated? Reply #15 - Jul 24^th, 2016 at 8:17pm	Print Post
	She's popular at swinger's parties.

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Frank Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1429 Joined: Jan 14^th, 2016	Re: Miss Chances - how are all these calculated? Reply #16 - Jul 25^th, 2016 at 12:29am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Jul 24^th, 2016 at 3:08pm: .95 AC x .5 displacement x .75 incorp x .75 dodge = 26.71875% chance to be hit = 73.28125 miss chance And then there are bosses with True Seeing, and Champs which bypass dodge and fortification.

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