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Reply #25 - Jul 28th, 2016 at 3:04pm
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OldCoaly wrote on Jul 27th, 2016 at 10:10pm:
No.  Windows hasn't required weekly reboots for a long time.

If that's been you're experience, you've been doing it wrong.

Agreed. 

Nothing wrong with Windows servers these days.  If it is configured properly by competent sys admin, it will not require frequent reboots.  Poorly-written or mis-configured applications are the primary culprits that cause a frequent reboot to be necessary these days, not the OS itself.  DDO being a case in point.

This is a database VM at one of the companies I work for with over a year of uptime that gets used pretty hard on a daily basis:
  
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Reply #26 - Jul 28th, 2016 at 3:25pm
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Flav wrote on Jul 28th, 2016 at 2:09am:
Sure, at workstation level and if you only uses the holy trinity : word, powerpoint, excel as well as a bit of outlook you don't need a weekly reboot.

But we are talking about a server here, even worse, a virtualized server.


And with the software they run on top of said windows they will need to reboot them on a weekly basis.
There's at least a SQL Server ( MS-SQL or any other one ), some kind of web servers ( IIS ? ), and more...
All these will add up to requiring regular cleanup reboots...

as Meursault said other OS can go for a long time without reboots.

My personnal record is a HP9000 K570 server with HP-UX 10.30 on it. It ran for more than 1500 days without a reboot.
( the second node of the cluster ran for less, we had to switch it off once to replace the tape drive )

So much FUD in this.  Stop living in the 80s and join the modern tech world please.

Multiple Windows servers (60+) in my VM environments covering the range of server 2003, 2008, 2012 OSes running SQL, IIS, etc.  It is rare that they don't go 90+ days between reboots and when they are rebooted, it is usually due to scheduled updates and patching.

DDO's lag is 100% a poor coding and maintenance problem.  It will run poorly and lag no matter what hardware or VM platform they put it on.   Putting it on higher end hardware might hide the problem somewhat by compensating with pure horsepower but that's just putting a bandage on an infected wound.
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Reply #27 - Jul 28th, 2016 at 4:14pm
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Heh.  Now I’m wondering if part of their problem is that they moved to a version of Server that has problems with the older portions of their code.
  
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Reply #28 - Jul 28th, 2016 at 5:01pm
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I agree DDO's poor coding is the problem, 2008 & 2012 are far better than Win98 which would choke itself running absolutely nothing, but I still wouldn't pick Windows if stability was my goal. It's easy to have long up times when you're running only a few well behaved applications, but a stable OS can get long up times when running many poorly behaved applications. It's been a long and difficult struggle, but Windows has finally achieved mediocrity in that regard Roll Eyes

But DDO should be the only thing running on their servers (except the one running the database) so the problem does rest squarely with their shitty code, I'm in no way making excuses for Turdbin, just bashing 2 birds with one stone.
  
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Reply #29 - Jul 28th, 2016 at 5:09pm
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Is that a GIF of Rubbins?   Tongue
  
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Reply #30 - Jul 29th, 2016 at 10:49am
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You guys quickly jumped on Flav because of your experiences with Virtualization inside of your own companies.  There is a big difference between running VMs on your stuff vs paying for Virtualized instances online.  Lets face it, the big difference between MS-SQL and Oracle or Sybase is memory management.  MS-SQL is a pig, and always has been.  It is a lot cheaper throwing an extra 16GB of ram in your physical server than adding the additional monthly cost for it from a provider.  Can you picture Turbine doing this?

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Meursault wrote on Jul 28th, 2016 at 1:18pm:
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Reply #31 - Jul 29th, 2016 at 4:08pm
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Durk wrote on Jul 29th, 2016 at 10:49am:
Lets face it, the big difference between MS-SQL and Oracle or Sybase is memory management.  MS-SQL is a pig, and always has been.

Gods, yes.  I can't tell you how many customers I've recommended go with the Oracle option for a DB over MSSQL, only to have them pick MSSQL for one very good reason:  They already had MSSQL DBAs on staff, and were an entirely MS shop with no *ux anywhere in their organization.  After they made that inevitable decision, I'd do my best to get them to over-design their new MSSQL servers so they might go a while without requiring an upgrade.  And I'd log my concerns on the project risk register, so they couldn't blame me or my team later for going cheap rather than good.
  
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Reply #32 - Jul 29th, 2016 at 5:05pm
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Agreed.  MSSQL is my last suggestion.  I hate to admit it, but hell.  I would rather push Pervasive than MSSQL.  Similar complaints to you, which in this day and age is stupid.  They all support each others syntax for the most part and with OBDC options for the others it is a non issue.
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Reply #33 - Jul 30th, 2016 at 12:56am
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How easy is it to cluster Sybase or Oracle DB servers.

I've clustered MS-SQL servers using iSCSI to connect them and it wasn't too hard. They worked great, too.
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Reply #34 - Jul 30th, 2016 at 1:32am
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Technomage wrote on Jul 30th, 2016 at 12:56am:
How easy is it to cluster Sybase or Oracle DB servers.


I don't know for Oracle, but for Sybase it's just installing Sybase with the Replication server instead just Sybase SQL Server on both nodes...
You just need one or two ( preferably two for redundancy ) direct LAN links ( to avoid loading the frontend/backend interfaces. ) between the servers.

After that it's just some config.
What the Replication server install does is install a second SQL server instance on each node with a specific database that contains all the scripts to manage the replication between each nodes of the clusters.

as for how it works... you don't bother with it... the only exception is when you need to reload the database. then you need to disable the replication server, reload the database on both nodes and then restart the replication server. ( note : this might have changed, I haven't keep in touch with Sybase beyond Sybase Replication Server 15 )
  
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