harharharhar wrote on Sep 6^th, 2016 at 2:31pm:

The bottleneck is the lack of light-based multi-hit and AE spells which are crucial for triggering lots of Shiradi procs.  You've got a few SLAs, a few beams/rays, and Divine Punishment. The only light-based AEs are in the Warlock's ES tree.

It's not hard to use the synergies to get fire and light spell power really high.  The catch is end-game mobs that are resistant or immune to fire.  That leaves you relying on light based spells which really restricts your AE damage output unless you're an ES warlock.

It's probably easier/better to just roll an evocation based Fiend Warlock running in ES and go full retard in fire and light spell power.

You might be able to frankenstein something together with 10 sorcerer, 6 warlock, and 4 fvs.  Not sure if that has any hope of being better than a pure warlock though.

It does seem like a 20 Warlock in EA is the way to go.

hold off until the fvs cleric pass.

harharharhar wrote on Sep 6^th, 2016 at 4:48pm:



^^^This. You can get to an 80+ cha fairly easily, and as you mention in exalted angel it works well..very well. Most of our guild run their pure locks in Exalted. Shiradi locks are OK but exalted blows it out the water imo.

harharharhar wrote on Sep 6^th, 2016 at 4:48pm:


Easy swap to Unyielding for Legendary survivability with tankiness as well

zoriaan wrote on Sep 6^th, 2016 at 6:10pm:


Do you have a rough build template you like? Are you taking DC feats or just Spell Power ones? I haven't done a pure Warlock yet. Also I assume you're T5 in ES?

harharharhar wrote on Sep 6^th, 2016 at 4:35pm:

You are correct.  I prefer Shiradi.  EA only has the one AE.  It helps but still not enough to truly fix the lack of light-based AEs on a non-ES warlock.

I played a pure 20 Fey warlock extensively in both Shiradi and EA back when the cap was 28.   Shiradi always seemed better overall.  EA was definitely solid but it seemed like Shiradi was better all around for rolling through missions quickly.  EA had better single target DPS though.

Maybe the fire synergy with a Fiend warlock puts EA ahead but I think it is close either way.

Roll 20 es tardlock like every shitty player and half the server over level 20.
Smash elites like Fran does !!!

Wipe wrote on Sep 7^th, 2016 at 2:10am:


ES Warlock in EE/LE is not always a stroll through the park even for non-shitty players in a synergistic ED.

20 Fighter PDK TWF Khopesh 41 Kensai/38Stalwart/1PDK kills more shit, faster with better DCs (using KTA ofc and ignoring Cha to hit/damage/tactics shit in PDK)

Mokune wrote on Sep 7^th, 2016 at 7:18am:


Upon reading this again I just realized you must be trolling...

Laser Light Show

13 cleric, 4 fvs, 3 wiz DG

AoE Rotation soundburst, flame strike sla, flame strike, ED burst

few target rotation soundburst, sun bolt, x, sunbolt, y,

Take maximize from 2 of three trees of AM+ DD or AoV

Combine with DG cloak of maximize reduction for free maximize on sun bolt/flame strike

Take spell pen out of all 3 trees, play in EA for more spell pen.

Twist Evo familiarity, evo focus, spell pen from magistar

Use arcane alacrity featx3 EPL

Feats standard evo, metas, spell pen.

Since sunbolt is half the rotation, and on a 2.3 sec cd, and the other half the rotation is garbage fill, you can expect this build to be about 40% as powerful as electric critzilla in epics. However, in heroics, you will pwn the shit out of everything with the AoE combo.

Hey, you wouldn't happen to know if one could  hit a reasonable enchant + evo + spell pen on a 5 rogue 15 cleric morning lord GXBow terror build do you? I want to blind the mobs and try to stun what I can, to get the GXBow sneak damage, while pking them, in EA with light dmg backup i guess.

zoriaan wrote on Sep 7^th, 2016 at 8:02am:

You'd be wrong about the fighter outkilling warlocks in EE/LE.  Very wrong actually.

I had to eat a serious amount of crow while running a fotw shuriken build on my last life.  In most groups and raids, I doubled and often tripled the next closest kill counts.  One of my guildies leveled up a PDK pure fighter right after the Kensai pass.  I was talking shit to him and telling him to roll a good class/build.  Once he hit 30, he proceeded to outkill me in probably half the missions and raids we ran.  He was melting mobs like it was heroic hard instead of LE.

I'm currently running Eth's 10/6/4 undead shiradi and with nearly identical gear to what Eth listed.  I'm level 30.  This same guildie recently TR'd the fighter into a Bladeforged THF 15/4/1 Fighter/Monk/Cleric.  He was level 29 in an LH shroud we ran last night.  He outkilled me, another skilled guildie running a good shuriken build, and a good auralock in that raid.

Fighters can bring some serious pain if they're built and played properly these days.