So there is this rather smelly sock on the official forum full of holes. The most off repeated hole so gaping he is more of a ankle warmer then a sock is this idea that people can't become undead in 3e+ dnd and be healed by negative energy a mechanic that most certainly does exist in the rules.

I mean id love to call him a troll and prop him for it but when you post blatantly wrong info as fact your not trolling your just spouting ignorance like another stupid niggah

I mean damn niggah the reason no one has hardly responded and its got a laughable half dozen pages is because people have wasted pages posting the PNP rule that clearly puts to rest any questions about it.

So to that socks owner I say for shame. Wasting a sock named after one of my fave movies to just come off as woefully ignorant about the mother games rules makes this one a sad vaultie.

I want to see better trolling from you mister. Use real issues that force people to think for a moment rather than laugh and dismiss out of hand.

I know you can do it. Be better. I believe in you

Understand the depths of his idiocy.  He calls PM self-healing via aura "cheating" because he says it does not exist in PnP.

That's like playing War (the card game) and claiming that your 2 beats your opponent's Ace because in Blackjack an Ace can be valued as a 1.  His assertions are exactly that stupid.

Gringo wrote on Oct 31^st, 2016 at 11:13am:

No, it isn't a matter of opinion.  It is the way the game works.  It's not an exploit, not any kind of cheat.  It's not even perching in a safe spot.  It is spending your enhancements in a perfectly legitimate way.  Calling it a "cheat" because the rules are different in a different game is just retarded.

Frank wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 1:13am:

ok, not cheating in game sense:) u re right

First let me say yes I know ddo' s palemaster is its own thing not arguing that one bit.

My point is more along the lines of anyone in PNP can become say a vampire then with any access to spells that do negative energy damage can be used as a form of healing magic for the undead.

The idiot under discussion seems unaware of that simple fact. Yes in DDO they made undead racial templates part of the pm package. IMO a lost opportunity they could make each racial template into an entire enhancement tree and sell it like harper. Obviously only one could he active at a time on a toon so no vamp liches etc.

For example any cleric can become a lich and use its hurt spells to heal. A wizard who is turned into a vampire could use a weapon that inflicts negative energy on itself to heal.

Ghd seems to not get that negative energy is how undead heal period and many ways exist to he undead that do not depend on being a wizard specifically in PNP.

Fun example in a pre- made campaign there was a cursed ring that did 2d4 neg energy damage each round. One of the savvy players kept this ring and eventually used it after turning into a lich as a potent ring of regeneration. That is how negative energy works on any undead.

karavek wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 11:03am:


Again - i know this guy and he s no ones sock:) just quite shortfused and pissed that every time he builds some toon, then flock of crybabies appear calling for nerfing the class:) And to his shame it s usually done by trdbine

DDOcrackhead wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 3:23pm:


If by this you mean that there are more idiots here than in other places on the internet, you haven't been on the internet for very long.

Gringo wrote on Nov 1^st, 2016 at 11:34am:


Since you seem adamant about knowing the bloke can you ask him if he is being serious? Because if he is he is in ignorance making himself appear a great ass.

Any undead is healed by neg energy. Any wizard can become a lich in PNP and learn the various negative energy spells to use as self healing and a cleric that goes lich which is a thing in PNP can most certainly use cause wound spells to heal.

Negative Energy Burst is a 3.0 arcane spell in the Tome & Blood book.

Any intelligent undead can take levels in Wizard.

The Pale Master prestige class and most of the other source material DDO used for the PM tree is in the Libris Mortis book.

Gringo wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2016 at 12:43pm:


As I said, they used other stuff from Libris Mortis as well. Such as the Veil of Undeath spell, which makes you heal from negative energy and grants undead immunities.

All spells are weaker in P&P, because enemies are built on the same scale as PCs instead of 10-100x statwise. Also P&P burst is not necessarily centered on the caster, so you can choose to include yourself in the AoE or not just like Fireball or whatever.

Every class has unique abilities, few have "tradeoffs",...but how is self-healing an "unprecedented advantage" exactly?

Anyway it shows nothingmore or less than this game have far longer history of strange and unbalanced design decisions:)

karavek is an unoriginal buzzword loving gay retard

fuck him and all his threads

The people love Gringo.

Make DDO great again.