I've been mucking around with the idea of a throwing Kensai dwarf  (yes I know, gimpy flavor..) and I noticed something funny. The 3rd Kensai core 'strike with no thought' (or dumb hitter as I like to call it) shows the crit multiplier for any thrown weapon you equip but only really gives the multiple boost to weapons from the kensai focus group you choose.

For example if you pick druid weapons I was hitting around 27 on my crits (26,27, 28, 26, 27, 27, 26,29, 28, 27, 27, 26,26,27,26,28, 28, 29, 26, 28,27, 26, 27, 27, 28, 28, 26,26, 27, 27 ,26,27,26,27,26 , 26, 26, ,27, 27, 29, 28, 26, 28, 27,26, 29, 26, 27, 26, 28, 27 with darts, without druid weapons as my kensai focus it dropped to 19-22 on crits even though it was showing the multiplier boosted.

I still have to test axes because I've just been using norm axes instead of returning ones which have a higher critical X  will post back.

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Looks like the crit multi part is supposed to work with everything.

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Probably a Capt. Obvious question but you're not forgetting to take into account the +dmg bonuses for the Kensai focus weapons that you get from the Weapon Group Specialization enhancements are you?

Losing a couple +1 dmg bonuses combined with the rounding from crit multiplier bonuses might explain the drop in damage damage between focus group and non-focus group crits.

Edit:  Spreadsheet math would support this explanation.

Base dart is 1d4 with an x2 crit multi.  Assuming a +5 stat bonus (or a combination of stat bonus + ranged power that gives works out to 5 dmg per hit), an x3 multiplier would give an average crit of 27 with +2 dmg from specialization enhancements and 21 without them.

Roll up a gearless toon with +0 stat bonuses for Str/Dex and make sure you don't select any enhancement points that give +dmg, +str/dex, and +ranged power when getting to Strike with No Thought and run the test again.

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Digimonk wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2016 at 3:35pm:


I had already reached that conclusion before I ever began testing. Please see my earlier post where I mentioned that I only found the need for selecting at least the fist tier of specialized because I was intent on avoiding anything that added damage. Making sure to avoid getting a ability bonus to damage was a no brainer, as is ranged power etc... It is also why I took the time to deconstruct a returning axe to test it's crit profiles in a mundane form. 

This isn't my first rodeo 

Np, I try to dot my i's and cross my t's when I test stuff.  Always happy to go over stuff with other interested peeps. I'm going to do the same on a bard tonight as well.

Has anyone tested the 5th tier assassin ability 'knife specialization' on throwing daggers yet? 

Cairnoir wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2016 at 12:17am:


You could route the damage bonus from other attributes from other places (improved weapon finesse in DWS as an example)

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And that's a lot harder to test, stuff like the Kensai, bards and such you can check with a instant toon but lv 20 monk testbeds are harder to come by and switching APs on and off on a established toon like that can get expensive really quick.
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plz eat shit and die, plz kfanx.