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Feb 24th, 2017 at 9:13pm
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Looks like Feather of Sun pulled a “Well, actually” on Jerry.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/484249-Updating-Named-Items-(from-twit...

[QUOTE=SolarDawning;5944101]Implementation would not be difficult.

A pass over all pre-existing named items from older content to audit which effects are on them, swap some out for stronger ones, and in some cases change base properties of that named item, would take about 8 work-hours from one designer.

Remember, it's been done before. There's more stuff now, but it didn't take that long last time.

It's a lot easier than making brand new items- the largest burden of which is working out an interesting concept, choosing effects to match the concept, selecting an appropriate model/icon, and flavor text. Scripting brand-new custom effects adds a lot of extra time.

The real cost, and what makes it more difficult, is fitting it into the schedule as a priority over, say, working on character classes/abilities, or extra work on new items for the next update. Every hour spent comes at the cost of working on something else.
Often, the answer is that it's just better in the long run to add new things.

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Reply #1 - Feb 24th, 2017 at 9:18pm
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Reply #2 - Feb 24th, 2017 at 9:18pm
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I love how Cordo pretends he's a programmer.
And people believe it.
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Dave? Dave's not here!
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 1:51am
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Well you can like or hate Plume for what he did to the game, but at least he's classy when it comes to making statements.

he just told every fuckwit that some stuff is not that long to do behind the scene in DDO and that it's just the sheer lazyness and (in)competency level from Turbine SSG devs that makes it a hurdle.

  

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Reply #6 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 8:47am
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takes few hours and a redbull to raise stat mods on already coded and developed loot. I could go through hundreds and my typing skills are slow. I did it for darkest dungeon, did it on old emulators back in the past. fucking pathetic excuse by cordo and ssg.
  

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Reply #7 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 10:05am
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Durk wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 9:38pm:
Dave? Dave's not here!


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Reply #8 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 10:06am
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Get another fucking intern for fucks sake.
  

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Reply #9 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 10:23am
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Flav wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 1:51am:
Well you can like or hate Plume for what he did to the game, but at least he's classy when it comes to making statements.

he just told every fuckwit that some stuff is not that long to do behind the scene in DDO and that it's just the sheer lazyness and (in)competency level from Turbine SSG devs that makes it a hurdle.



It's a sweet burn in a classic style.  I mean, just replace:
Quote:
Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy. I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy.

With:
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Not-a-Dev, I was a dev.  I knew the systems involved.  They were friends of mine.  Not-a-Dev, you're no Dev.

But who really thought Jerry was telling the truth anyway?

CC update: They changed all of the cannith challenge loots.
Monk update: They changed every named handwrap in the game.
Many updates: They changed many different loot items (especially abbott stuff, that shit was in flux for a long while)
Random updates: They changed how shit works like mortal fear, etc.
Random updates: They stealth nerfed things like nightmare, eardweller, etc etc.

They make changes to gear all the fucking time.  Jerry should know better than to use "the actual work to do that kind of endeavor is far beyond something we can realistically do" because everyone knows they do this shit trivially all the time.
  

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Reply #10 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 10:55am
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Only reason to read Jerry posts is to wait for him to do things like this. Completely arrogant and silly.
  

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Reply #11 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 12:36pm
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somenewnoob wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 10:06am:
Get another fucking intern for fucks sake.


This.
  

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Reply #12 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 12:48pm
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QuantumFX wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 9:13pm:
Every hour spent comes at the cost of working on something else.
Often, the answer is that it's just better in the long run to add new things.


But seriously, this quote sums it all up.

It's the same reason scientific papers don't get peer reviewed...

Because it's not sexy to check someone else's work, and you don't get accolades or grants for proof reading 300 pages of academic dross.

So you move on to something else and leave potentially beneficial or potentially dangerous concepts adrift in limbo while you analyze the chemical composition of red ochre stain on a 5,000 year old pot shard.

After all, what does the world at large care about more than red ochre?  Huh
  

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Reply #13 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 1:38pm
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Frank wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 10:23am:
They make changes to gear all the fucking time.  Jerry should know better than to use "the actual work to do that kind of endeavor is far beyond something we can realistically do" because everyone knows they do this shit trivially all the time.



Enybody that looked at the files knows it's dead easy to do, especially with the tools SSG is supposed to have.
The only thing that prevented the birth of tools to do it is the checksum that reject you as soon as you tinker with the file contents.
  

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Rubbinns wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 8:47am:
I did it for darkest dungeon

Talk about wasting your time on a shit game.
  
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somenewnoob wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 10:06am:
Get another fucking intern for fucks sake.


The more you tell them this, the better, but be nice about it - please. For my sake.

I threw my two cents in the thread, hopefully Feather reads it. I am a pretty big fan.
  

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Lhynn wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:24pm:
Talk about wasting your time on a shit game.

well i play ddo, so....
  

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Reply #17 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 6:27pm
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Sailias wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:25pm:
I threw my two cents in the thread, hopefully Feather reads it. I am a pretty big fan.

Of Feather? I'm a fan of him leaving. That was pretty great.
  

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Revaulting wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 6:27pm:
Of Feather? I'm a fan of him leaving. That was pretty great.


I enjoy people sticking up for themselves.
  

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Sailias wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 8:24pm:
I enjoy people sticking up for themselves.

Huh. So you enjoyed it both when Feather feathered all the gear, and when we cried for his blood.
  

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I disagree with feathers choices on loot and his ideas about randomization.  I think he brought in the fun combo effects like Thousand Suns and Heavenly Wrath and such.  Which were cool. I could be wrong. 

Regardless, I suspect they just don't want to revitalize older named loot vs wanting to but it being a lot of effort.  I think the flaw I see in their logic  is that it will get people to buy those adventure packs. So it CAN be a revenue generator.  But it's clear they aren't open to it.
  
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Asheras wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 11:40pm:
Regardless, I suspect they just don't want to revitalize older named loot vs wanting to but it being a lot of effort.  I think the flaw I see in their logic  is that it will get people to buy those adventure packs. So it CAN be a revenue generator.  But it's clear they aren't open to it.

Is there an argument against it other than it being effort?

"Effort?"  I'd cut Plume's estimate in half.  Skip lunch, you lazy fucks.
  

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Ah Pook wrote on Feb 26th, 2017 at 1:01am:
Is there an argument against it other than it being effort?

Their idea of improvement is always bad?
  

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Reply #23 - Feb 26th, 2017 at 7:03am
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Asheras wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 11:40pm:
I disagree with feathers choices on loot and his ideas about randomization.  I think he brought in the fun combo effects like Thousand Suns and Heavenly Wrath and such.  Which were cool. I could be wrong. 

Regardless, I suspect they just don't want to revitalize older named loot vs wanting to but it being a lot of effort.  I think the flaw I see in their logic  is that it will get people to buy those adventure packs. So it CAN be a revenue generator.  But it's clear they aren't open to it.


It's a simple logic problem. Which packs are least owned? Is it because of XP, complexity, just plain shittiness or gear? If it's XP or gear, fix those things and see how much you sell. Do that in one pack for each release.

On the other hand, in their defense, it's going to be a full team effort for them to disappoint us with Ravenloft. So all hands on deck for that makes sense.
  

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Reply #24 - Feb 26th, 2017 at 1:54pm
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spathic wrote on Feb 26th, 2017 at 7:03am:
It's a simple logic problem. Which packs are least owned? Is it because of XP, complexity, just plain shittiness or gear? If it's XP or gear, fix those things and see how much you sell. Do that in one pack for each release.


Good points. Seems painfully obvious, really.

Reaver's Refuge comes to mind.

Do something to balm the salty feelings of everyone who ground out Dragontouched Armour back in the day (I wasn't one of them).

Do something about the almost entirely abandoned House Cannith pack and Alchemical Crafting.

Because that should be a thing, since there's SFA at Lvl 20 for newly Heroic capped or new eTRs in the way of decent or even serviceable gear.
  

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