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Jun 20th, 2017 at 11:02am
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Let's say you're running R3 and higher heroics. And your benchmark is necro warlock. Which build and why would you say will outperform it?
  
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Reply #1 - Jun 20th, 2017 at 11:02am
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I'm before better warlock lol
  
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Reply #2 - Jun 20th, 2017 at 11:04am
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Potentials:
Caster artificer. Have seen a very very potent build, but only played against it in higher level epics.
  
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Reply #3 - Jun 20th, 2017 at 11:11am
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Outperform in what way? XP/min? DPS? Soloability? Something else?
  

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Reply #4 - Jun 20th, 2017 at 11:13am
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 11:11am:
Outperform in what way? XP/min? DPS? Soloability? Something else?


Xp per min or ease  and speed of quest completion
  
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Reply #5 - Jun 20th, 2017 at 11:34am
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Dc sorc and is excellent. You get charms, instakills and nukage

Only problem is Warlock is still more survivable with temp HP
  
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Reply #6 - Jun 20th, 2017 at 12:10pm
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If 1-20 speed is the goal, probably add 1 barb level to all of the builds that make your list.
  

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Reply #7 - Jun 20th, 2017 at 12:16pm
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nothing IMO

stuff I thought about...

Barbarian beats it early on, and up through level 8-9, but it falls off steeply there.

Monk stays strong until about 12 and is very good, but not better IMO.

Pure caster bard is actually very good, but the lack of instakills puts it behind a necrolock at the end of a TR cycle. Their damage is quite formidable in heroics surprisingly.

Pure cleric is worth a playthrough, but lack of charms make it tough, and early levels are even more painful than warlock. Wizard is similar to cleric---you trade the heals for charms. Warforged is not reccomended... ...color spray is too good.

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Reply #8 - Jun 20th, 2017 at 12:58pm
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Arti/ranger repeater is better at low levels.  I don't know after level 7 though.

The arti build out damages everything by about 4:1 or more and keeps a safe distance.

The warlock control and AoE stuff might be nicer at higher levels.
  
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 12:10pm:
If 1-20 speed is the goal, probably add 1 barb level to all of the builds that make your list.


Disagree for R3 and higher. Certain abilities and spells are pushed back a level which can definitely make a difference to the point where the extra run speed may not gain you more
  
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Reply #10 - Jun 20th, 2017 at 1:12pm
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rockz wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 12:58pm:
Arti/ranger repeater is better at low levels.  I don't know after level 7 though.

The arti build out damages everything by about 4:1 or more and keeps a safe distance.

The warlock control and AoE stuff might be nicer at higher levels.

Agree there. The build is very very strong and scales well with levels.
  
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rockz wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 12:58pm:
Arti/ranger repeater is better at low levels.  I don't know after level 7 though.

The arti build out damages everything by about 4:1 or more and keeps a safe distance.

The warlock control and AoE stuff might be nicer at higher levels.

Been thinking of a slightly different level split. pm me
  
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Reply #12 - Jun 20th, 2017 at 1:57pm
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rockz wrote on Jun 20th, 2017 at 1:57pm:
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Reply #14 - Jun 20th, 2017 at 4:24pm
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I'll throw my hat in the ring with Arty builds.

Arty was the King of Heroics since it arrived, only recently replaced by Warlock, which is a toss up  because Warlock doesn't have pets (for levers) and trap skills.

This will likely improve if the proposed changes to Arty go live as they are now.

I am not sure what the "Caster" Arty builds are, most I've seen are Tier 4 Battle Engineer for Fusillade, Capstone ArcanoTechnician and the remainder in Harper for INT to damage/hit + KtA.

I would agree with not splashing the 1 Barb. Run speed is great, but in Reapers it's neutralized by all the kiting, CC and self-healing breaks.

Better to keep your DCs high and optimize class ability/spell progression than get 10% improvement in movement speed.

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Reply #15 - Jun 20th, 2017 at 4:53pm
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For Profession PLs
ALL in for INT & Chief Stat

1 Rogue (for traps)
2-4 Fighter (for Stalwart Defence, heavy armor and Shield Mastery/Bash
5-8 Rogue
9-10 Fighter (feats)
10-20 Wanted PL Class

Cannith Crafted @ 1,3,7,10,15,20 (10+ insightfuls),
each step is the same, just higher bonuses.

(2) Trinkets with search/spot, disarm/open till 10, then (3) with search/insightful, disarm/insightful, open/insightful.

Shield Bash combo'ed with trip is INCREDIBLY effective in heroics up to and included R3. Warhammer/Longsword/Waraxe of Unnatural Bane+Good Effect: Skeletons are a joke, Zombies not much better, wights & gnolls have turned into Kobolds and are a complete whore in R3 (not to mention Reaper Wraiths), and a Tiefling Blade makes short work of everything else.


Can fairly easily solo all R3, and have been running VON elite @ 5.

If you use a learning Pot, you will literally outgrow almost half the quests before you can run them
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Reply #16 - Jun 20th, 2017 at 7:25pm
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Rip to the op repeater imbue build. I was fun having you
  
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Reply #17 - Jun 21st, 2017 at 12:01pm
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Yeah, I figured this out after about 3 rr's.

We were running R3 tear, and I had 10x the kill count of anyone else...including a twink warlock and an arti repeater.

Now the whole guild runs it.

The damage is insane.  By level 4, the imbue damage is at least double my first number, and I'm using a deadly 10 item.

By level 6, it's 3x the damage.  Usually one shot (3 bolts) a mob on R3.
  
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