Rubbinns wrote on Jul 10^th, 2017 at 7:14pm:

I agree with his assessment and with yours.  Arti and Warlock will be de rigur.

Metal-Beast wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 11:13am:

Everyone is running around the  harbor with level 1-level 3 vorpals.  You can't miss it.

Vorpal fishing while kiting (or perching) is the easy button.

harharharhar wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 2:51pm:


the vorpal proc can come on any bolt fired or doubleshot. the reaper damage reduction on higher skulls makes dpsing less effective than rolling a 20 using high attack rates

Rubbinns wrote on Jul 11^th, 2017 at 2:54pm:


im aware of that, I suppose the important point here is that its not really any net loss of DPS to use vorpal versus flaming 1d6 or some bullshit, and in exchange you get the vorpal proc.

Asheras wrote on Jul 12^th, 2017 at 7:36am:

This.

But even then, there are times when a Champ spawns with "Immune to Player Damage" buffs and Vorpal bypasses them completely.

Unless one of those buffs is Deathward, in which case you were already hooped.

"Roll High or Die" is S.O.P. in Reaper.

and it's upon us tomorrow .... dun dun dun

Metal-Beast wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 5:45pm:


Wrong. The nerf affects the eldritch blast base dice, so cone and chain are also affected. And one of the most powerful things about warlock at heroics was shinning through + brilliance, specially if you're playing reaper. Necro is a plus, a big one, but again at heroics it's better to go ES because you don't have to stop the blast in order to cast spells.

Warlock now with what? Less than 40% the DPS as before means you will have to play at like 2 skulls under what you were doing before the patch to complete quests at the same times.

Arty may be good, but doesn't get the temporary HP. And the spells (necro stuff just at right lvs + evards + dd).

BTW, I didn't read what are the changes arti is getting, but I feel you are exagerating. AoE is what matters for heroics, and xbow has none until you get IPS, then it's very poor. The spells can do something, but it's not like the old warlock blasts.

Vaultaccount wrote on Jul 14^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:


It's nowhere near 40%.

It's not that bad on the blast.  You lose 3D6 tops - pact damage is unaffected.  Having done this ~12
times now, IMO SE+TS is way better in heroics than ES.  You get enough of a shield from Feigned Health,
four instakills (fod, fod, pk, wail/tts), Eldritch Wave, Stunning Blast (though shitty animation), still the
same awesome CC.  I'm only back up to L8 but I haven't noticed any difference at all yet.

knockcocker wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 3:07am:


Yeah I was thinking about the damage of the ES clickies. After lv 13 no tree is better than ES blaster. At least before the update.

No you don't get enough shield from fingered health, this is so much nonsense I wonder if you are playing reaper or hard or normal, because in the game I was playing I used to get hit for over a hundred points very often.

Old blast: Eldritch Blast deals 1d6 Force damage at level 1, and increases by +1d6 at Warlock level 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 14, 17, and 20; for a total of 9d6 at level 20.

New blast: Warlocks now receive Eldritch Blast base dice feats at levels 4, 8, 12, 16, and 20 (for a total of 6d6 at level 20).

So it's 30% at lv 20, pact damage makes it less. Okaysh. But what happens at low lv...

Asheras wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 7:29am:


Lv 11 old blast: 6d6. New blast: 3d6. 50% cut. If you didn't notice so you were piking. But let's count with pact (4 extra pact dices in TS):

Old blast lv 11: 6d6 + 9d4 = 43.5/36.75
New: 3d6 + 9d4 = 33

25% less damage, assuming you're landing pact 100%, wich is not the case. For example if they save 30% of the time, the reduction of the DPS is 28%. If they resist/are immune to the pact we lost 50% of the damage.

But let's see lv 18

Old, using ES + TS (3 extra dices in TS): 14d6 + 12d4 = 49 + 30 = 79
New, using TS + SE (4 extra dices in SE):  5d6 + 13d4 = 17.5 + 32.5 = 50

36% reduction. If they save the pact 30% of the time, it's a reduction of 42.5%. If you can't land the pact (resistance/immunity), we just lost 64.3% of the damage.

Asheras wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 7:29am:


You missed the point, low reading skills I guess. You drop skulls because with less DPS you complete slower at the same skull.

You get less RXP and heroic XP on the same amount of time if you keep playing the same number of skulls. If you reduce to match the nerf in power you get the same heroic XP, but still get less RXP.

Now this is specially a problem for when you find monsters that self heal.

Vaultaccount wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 4:07pm:


Not low reading skills.  Here is the point:

You:  Per my calculations I predict a 36% reduction in base + pact damage (said in my best nerdy white guy voice.  Think sheldon from Big bang).  I predict people will drop skulls due to lower DPS.

Me:  K.  I've been in game the last two days playing a warlock at level 11-14.  In 4  hours of runs, either solo or in groups on Khyber, I'm not dropping skulls and neither is the party leader.  From conversations in game with guildies and channel partners and seeing their LFM's, they aren't dropping skulls.  From 4 hours of runs on my Warlock stuff is dying within 1 second of how fast it died before.  Or, fast enough that completion times seem the same.  Maybe they are 5-10 seconds slower.  I don't know.  It's not enough that it feels tougher or feels like skulls need to be dropped.  In game...IT JUST DOESNT MATTER.  Sorry if that doesn't jive with your calculator or your spreadsheet.

Look, drop skulls if you want.  I don't care.  Do calculations and post those instead of game experience.  I don't care.  My experience in game is that this is a non-issue.  YMMV.

Carry on with hyping the Warlock nerf.  I'm gonna go get some r4 or higher reaper runs in on my Warlock.  Peace. 

30% sounds big.  But you are talking 10 damage.   That means, with spell power 4 hits sinstead of 3 to kill  mobs with cone when you have 300-400 spell power.  Given the rof and helpless lobs and ape attacks of a warlock, it is nominal.  Especially in a group.  Of warlocks.    When running content that is 7 years old or 9 or 10 years old.   I'm fine with doing what I did before the update.  If you aren't that's fine.  We can agree to disagree.   Everyone can make their own decisions on how much it impacts their gameplay.

Vaultaccount wrote on Jul 15^th, 2017 at 4:07pm:


Don't agree.  SE + TS is way better IME.

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R2/R3.  Currently L10.  42 charisma and wands of cure critical + heal scrolls are fine.  Both proc
Feigned Health.  I'm sure it makes more of a difference in higher skulls but why would you overly
care about blast damage there anyway?

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Right; it's about a 20 - 25% nerf in real terms when you consider everything.  Yeah I'm not over the
moon about it but in practical terms it doesn't make a whole lot of difference.  You only have to take
a mob to zero to kill it.  A lot of things will still die in the same number of hits.