Ok, so they would nerf wlok and also add (basically) a penatly for groups having a wlok in the group.

Why? That is plain retarded, any1 with common sense (aka not SSG employee) would predict that it will lead to soloing warlocks, and less "groupings".

*Sigh* Can't they come up with something more creative? Like giving warlocks higher xp Cap

Are you guys serious or trolling?  I can't tell.

People are declining warlocks from groups because why?  Content is too difficult?  Are we playing the same game?  It doesn't matter.  Please identify for me the content where you are having difficulty as a group completing content because a warlock is in there fucking up the scaling.   

Warlock players are bitching about scaling?  Is something they do on teamspeak while steamrolling content on R4 so that they don't accidentally fall asleep at the keyboard because the content is so easy?  Any warlock bitching about scaling making content hard is a shitty player.  Full stop.  Nuff said.

Warlocks just solo?  That's been happening for almost 2 years now.  Nothing to do with scaling.  Everything to do with the fact that the class is OP and they keep screwing with the ES tree and blast DPS to try and fix it.  Which is like trying to fix a leak in the kitchen by replacing the roof in the dining room. 

Final point:  Scaling has been around for years.  You have been being "penalized" for having stronger builds in your parties for years.  They just never advertised how scaling works or what the numbers are.  Since 99% of the player base was unaware it even factored in class/build info of the players and thought it was a pure head count thing, they didn't make up reasons to complain about a system they don't actually understand.  The only mistake they made was in broadcasting that they adjusted the numbers.  Because now everybody on both sides of the warlock debate has something they can make up reasons to complain about a system they don't actually understand. 

Ask anyone complaining about scaling to describe to you exactly what it means, in detail, that warlock scaling is doubled.  What is the tangible change in HP of mobs, To hit, saves, DC's, damage,, number of mobs, etc.  At 1 player in the party, or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or 6.  And when more than one is a warlock.  I'd bet that no one can actually quantify the difference.  Yet they have formed an opinion on it.  To the point where they are declining warlocks from their party?  Because why let facts get in the way of a good internet rant.  Or, this fake reason to hate on warlocks is better than my last fake reason to hate on warlocks, so why not?

I've been in full groups with 2 or 3 warlocks and haven't noticed anything tangible.

In this case, SSG should not have explained this change.  No need to.  It only creates perception problems with the dumb-as-a-box-of-rocks DDO forum population.

Metal-Beast wrote on Jul 18^th, 2017 at 6:20pm:

1 and 4, yes.  2 and 3, no.  I've not seen those happening.  5?  Yes.  You need more coffee...

I personally cannot tell any quest scaling.  When your builds are all the same, so you remember what DC's your going to have at which level.  Everything dies all the time.  I regularly run reaper 5-6 everyday and have been for a few months.  Now I get my ass handed to me more on elite quests from champs then from r1 quests just because I'm missing so many hps and DC's lol.  Good times!

Okay as your resident self proclaimed expert on DS, or is that BS, let me explain.   I don't want to write out a long explanation because well I need a white board, six different color dry erase markers, two bottles of jager, and than I could almost explain it.

There was a feature that affected Multi-Class Warlocks characters in parties that were running quests below their level at Hard and Normal Difficulty.   Level 20 Character in a Level 15 Dungeon on Hard, Normal or Casual.

Not that it doesn't affect you TR/RR runs, but because you are going BB and Reaper the effect this change has on your character is negligible.