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Sergod Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1110 Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Aug 18^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #50 - Jan 1^st, 2018 at 2:38pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 10:39am: That's why you took Power Attack over Precision, amirite?� hehe. insert foot into mouth. no comment. PA out dpses precision in every situation currently.
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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #51 - Jan 2^nd, 2018 at 12:52am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 10:39am: That's why you took Power Attack over Precision, amirite?� Improved Power attack in LD with the new Shuri is my guess


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Sergod Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1110 Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Aug 18^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #52 - Jan 2^nd, 2018 at 7:20am	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2018 at 12:52am: Improved Power attack in LD with the new Shuri is my guess Yar.


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #53 - Jan 2^nd, 2018 at 9:41am	Print Post
	You're saying you never miss on a 2? Even if fort bypass is a non-issue (for now) I'm not trading 5% accuracy and 1 Con for 3 base damage.
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Sergod Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1110 Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Aug 18^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #54 - Jan 2^nd, 2018 at 12:10pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2018 at 9:41am: You're saying you never miss on a 2? Even if fort bypass is a non-issue (for now) I'm not trading 5% accuracy and 1 Con for 3 base damage. 195 to hit doesn't miss, no. I never see grazes.


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Sergod Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1110 Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Aug 18^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #55 - Jan 2^nd, 2018 at 12:11pm	Print Post
	Between elf and sneak attack, the bonuses to hit are absurd.


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #56 - Jan 2^nd, 2018 at 2:32pm	Print Post
	Sergod wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2018 at 12:11pm: Between elf and sneak attack, the bonuses to hit are absurd. So why not go halfling for another +w on sneak attacks, and a couple SA Dice along with Precision? Seems like a similar to hit number but higher damage. You also benefit from vastly improved IPS line of sight on the smaller character model, which has always been a huge peeve for me but is what it is.


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #57 - Jan 2^nd, 2018 at 2:35pm	Print Post
	*I guess lack of available AP is one answer, but if you do have extra racial AP from racial PLs, then I think halfling is definitely the way to go to spend them. Rest of the elf tree is garbagio.


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Sergod Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1110 Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Aug 18^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #58 - Jan 2^nd, 2018 at 2:36pm	Print Post
	Half elf is best. I did elf because I needed an elf PL and to try out the build. Now that I'm racial completionist I am a half elf. You get more Dex than elf or halfling, and the same SA as halfling. You also get the increased range of elf.


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #59 - Jan 2^nd, 2018 at 3:35pm	Print Post
	have you played a halfling thrower versus half elf? The IPS line of site difference is significant in terms of what mobs you can hit in a line and at what distance. Moreover, in halfling the 2 Dex, +1w while sneak attacking and SA Dice are relatively cheap (11ap). Helf has more extras (3rd Dex pt, Dex boost +3, 2 SA dice), but you don't really have the AP for it (16 AP for 2 SA Dice). This is obviously pretty marginal at this point DPS wise, but honestly the biggest difference is the LoS for IPS which goes to halfling.


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Sergod Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1110 Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Aug 18^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #60 - Jan 2^nd, 2018 at 5:12pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2018 at 3:35pm: have you played a halfling thrower versus half elf? The IPS line of site difference is significant in terms of what mobs you can hit in a line and at what distance. Moreover, in halfling the 2 Dex, +1w while sneak attacking and SA Dice are relatively cheap (11ap). Helf has more extras (3rd Dex pt, Dex boost +3, 2 SA dice), but you don't really have the AP for it (16 AP for 2 SA Dice). This is obviously pretty marginal at this point DPS wise, but honestly the biggest difference is the LoS for IPS which goes to halfling. +1W while sneaking you mean?


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Sergod Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1110 Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Aug 18^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #61 - Jan 2^nd, 2018 at 5:17pm	Print Post
	Also sneak attack has same AP cost for SA.


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Vendui Releaser Of Exploits Offline Dare to tempt your fates? Everything has a price. Posts: 2492 Location: Central WI Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #62 - Jan 2^nd, 2018 at 6:04pm	Print Post
	Sergod wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2018 at 5:17pm: Also sneak attack has same AP cost for SA. To pick up both Sneak dice in HElf, you need to spend a minimum of 15 points, + 1 point into it, so 16 points for 2 Sneak Dice Hafling can aquire these same 2 Sneak Dice for 11 points, or gain a third dice for 16 points. They are also the shortest race, thereby improving the functionality of IPS immensely. I wouldn't Throw/Bow on any other race, unless it was MILES better dps, and it sadly is not any better based on Race Alone for dmg, for this very reason. When it comes to IPS, Size DOES matter, its a very shitty truth to the game.. but a truth none-the-less.


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #63 - Jan 2^nd, 2018 at 7:07pm	Print Post
	Sergod wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2018 at 5:17pm: Also sneak attack has same AP cost for SA. Same cost for the SA dice, different cost for requirements to get the SA dice. for the +1w I'm talking about: "Stealthy: +1/+2/+3 Hide and Move Silently. Rank 3: Throw attacks you perform while sneaking deal +1[W] damage." I assume that means during any attack that counts as a sneak attack, and not specifically from stealth. I have never tested this particular enhancement as 1w was so trivial before the new shuriken was released
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Sergod Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1110 Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Aug 18^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #64 - Jan 2^nd, 2018 at 7:15pm	Print Post
	Vendui wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2018 at 6:04pm: To pick up both Sneak dice in HElf, you need to spend a minimum of 15 points, + 1 point into it, so 16 points for 2 Sneak Dice Hafling can aquire these same 2 Sneak Dice for 11 points, or gain a third dice for 16 points. They are also the shortest race, thereby improving the functionality of IPS immensely. I wouldn't Throw/Bow on any other race, unless it was MILES better dps, and it sadly is not any better based on Race Alone for dmg, for this very reason. When it comes to IPS, Size DOES matter, its a very shitty truth to the game.. but a truth none-the-less. You get 1d6 SA inherently from the dilletante. You gain 1d6 additional, for a total of 2d6, if you spend 6 AP. For a cost of 16 AP you would have 3d6. That is actually LESS investment for 2d6, and the same for 3d6. Math is hard.
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Sergod Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1110 Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Aug 18^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #65 - Jan 2^nd, 2018 at 7:20pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2018 at 7:07pm: Same cost for the SA dice, different cost for requirements to get the SA dice. for the +1w I'm talking about: "Stealthy: +1/+2/+3 Hide and Move Silently. Rank 3: Throw attacks you perform while sneaking deal +1[W] damage." I assume that means during any attack that counts as a sneak attack, and not specifically from stealth. I have never tested this particular enhancement as 1w was so trivial before the new shuriken was released It specifically states while SNEAKING, not sneak attacking.


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #66 - Jan 2^nd, 2018 at 8:16pm	Print Post
	Sergod wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2018 at 7:20pm: It specifically states while SNEAKING, not sneak attacking. You are correct that that you can get 2 SA Dice with just 6 AP if you take Rogue Dilettante. That's a good catch, I forgot about the original one. Regarding the +w, did you test it? As I said I have not, but even for SSG that would be incredibly useless and hard to imagine that it only counts for a throw made in stealth.


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SpaceGoat Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 606 Joined: Oct 14^th, 2015	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #67 - Jan 2^nd, 2018 at 9:36pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2018 at 8:16pm: You are correct that that you can get 2 SA Dice with just 6 AP if you take Rogue Dilettante. That's a good catch, I forgot about the original one. Regarding the +w, did you test it? As I said I have not, but even for� SSG that would be incredibly useless and hard to imagine that it only counts for a throw made in stealth. You�re really stretching there...


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Vendui Releaser Of Exploits Offline Dare to tempt your fates? Everything has a price. Posts: 2492 Location: Central WI Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #68 - Jan 3^rd, 2018 at 12:22am	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2018 at 8:16pm: You are correct that that you can get 2 SA Dice with just 6 AP if you take Rogue Dilettante. That's a good catch, I forgot about the original one. Regarding the +w, did you test it? As I said I have not, but even for� SSG that would be incredibly useless and hard to imagine that it only counts for a throw made in stealth. Asked a source who knows well enough to take them at their word, SSG is retarded and made it specifically attacks from sneak mode, thereby making it utterly useless 99.99999% of the time. With that in mind, any form of extending the SA range (Elf and Elven Subrace specific for races, ranger and mechanic can do it too), will be the optimal choice for throwing, unless you are always on their nutsack..
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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #69 - Jan 3^rd, 2018 at 12:52am	Print Post
	Vendui wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2018 at 12:22am: Asked a source who knows well enough to take them at their word, SSG is retarded and made it specifically attacks from sneak mode, thereby making it utterly useless 99.99999% of the time. With that in mind, any form of extending the SA range (Elf and Elven Subrace specific for races, ranger and mechanic can do it too), will be the optimal choice for throwing, unless you are always on their nutsack.. Hard disagree with you about SA range, I still think halfling LoS is more important, but I also usually go with ranger levels and always have 15 meters from DWS. Obviously more is nice, but not at the cost of sucking at IPS. Helf is a great choice, elf is a questionable choice, halfling is a great choice. Do whatever. Also, just tested this on an alt and it totally is just while sneaking, which leaves me with a new level of disappointment in SSG. I mean come the fuck on.


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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #70 - Jan 7^th, 2018 at 4:45pm	Print Post
	9 Spellcraft ranks?


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Sergod Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1110 Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Aug 18^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #71 - Jan 7^th, 2018 at 5:16pm	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Jan 7^th, 2018 at 4:45pm: 9 Spellcraft ranks? wtf else do.


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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #72 - Jan 7^th, 2018 at 11:18pm	Print Post
	That makes more sense than anything else I could think of. >.>


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Sergod Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1110 Location: Richmond, VA Joined: Aug 18^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #73 - Jan 8^th, 2018 at 2:11am	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Jan 7^th, 2018 at 11:18pm: That makes more sense than anything else I could think of. >.> With the new tome mechanic you have way more skill points than you know what to do with


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Zergalicious - Pure 20 Monk LD VKF Thrower DPS Reply #74 - Jan 8^th, 2018 at 11:44am	Print Post
	swim


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