Sergod wrote on Dec 25^th, 2017 at 11:24pm:

Probably a minor detail but isn't Quick Draw > Rapid Shot on it's own or shouldn't it be taken first?

I'm thinking that QD was assumed with 11 AP's in VKF but now with only the current 7 AP's, it's no longer auto-granted so should be taken as a feat?

Thanks!

Sergod wrote on Dec 29^th, 2017 at 3:42am:


You're really defensive for no reason. I'm just looking at multiclass splits comparably to see how they shake out. You need to take like 100 chill pills.

Regarding crit threat and multi, you are correct that 1/2 to 1/3 of the damage of these builds is physical and crittable. So when you have a crit modifier of x3, the difference between 1 crit threat and 2 crit threat for a shuriken is:


either (12f/8m) with IC Thrown and +1 Competence Threat
1x0 + 2-17x1 + 18x3 +19-20x5 =
80% Base Damage +
5%x3 Base Damage + 25 Seeker +
10%x5 Base Damage (OC and LD) + 25 Seeker damage.

If Base Damage is 120 on average, that means each hit does:
(120*.8)+((145*3)*.05)+((145*5)*.1) = 190.25 damage with crits on average per missile. Feel free to adjust the base number however you like.

or (20 Monk)
1x0 + 2-16x1 + 17-18x3 +19-20x5 =
75% Base Damage +
10%x3 Base Damage + 25 Seeker +
10%x5 Base Damage (OC and LD) + 25 Seeker damage.

If Base Damage is 120 on average, that means each hit does:
(120*.75)+((145*3)*.1)+((145*5)*.1) = 206 damage with crits on average per missile. Feel free to adjust the base number however you like.

1 Crit threat range makes a 16 dps/190dps = 8.4% increase in physical damage per missile. if physical damage is 50% of damage per missile (very high end and probably means low SA damage and MP) then this is a 4.2% increase in damage. If physical damage with more like 33% of total damage per missile, then this is .33*.084=~2.8% increase in damage. This is only true if both builds have exactly the same base damage. The 12/8 build has 11 more boosted dex and something like 19 more base damage and 20 additional Melee Power along with active attacks. This is why I say there are still multiclass builds that can hang with this pure in LD. Yours will have better movement and abundant step though which a lot of people really like. Also, yours has significantly higher SA dice (up to +4 over 12/8 I think and depending on AP choices), which is why I say they actually are not far apart on damage, it's because they aren't.

I'm not criticizing you or your build by trying to elucidate these numbers. I'm just showing you how to compare this stuff by the numbers. I can't quantify how well or poorly you play, your party members play, your lag, or your items. People running shuriken builds were often terrible players, and no build could really help them.

And for the record on Khyber my main was Amputation. Feel free to ask around and see how people felt about how I played. I was in all of the raid channels and consistently contributed to parties composed of the best players on the server off and on for 10 years.

You may not like me or how I post about things but don't confuse that with me as a player. I played DDO very hard.

ChewyOoeyGoOey wrote on Dec 29^th, 2017 at 12:35pm:

QD is free from henshin cores.

Sergod wrote on Dec 29^th, 2017 at 3:59pm:

You're making these multiclasses to try to do what 20 monk does better, and sacrificing a lot to do it.

move slower, lose imp evasion, less dodge, less dshot, and lose 10 sneak dice
and no ab step....all to attempt to do the same thing worse.

Sergod wrote on Dec 29^th, 2017 at 4:58pm:


With Capstone you get 9 SA dice, versus a 12/8 getting only 1-3. Not sure where you get 10 SA dice from as a pure monk. If you skip Helf for Halfling you can get another 2 making the difference 6 SA halfling nets you +1 W w/ Sneak Attack which is another 4.5 damage which is crittable and worth the equivalent of almost 2 SA dice DPS-wise. So it's really a difference of about 4 SA dice. Which is not insignificant.

But you trade off 20 MP and and a 15-19 base damage which is large, plus that 11 Dex with worth 22% doubleshot for missile proc purposes so it's only about 8% lower.

Plus Active Attacks (that scale with MP) and 8 con from surging, and more action boosts. All I'm saying is that it's not a huge trade off (though Movement speed is definitely part of the trade off).

So you trade off that movement speed and a small amount of damage in LD for the ability to use Fury as a destiny where you want big burst damage as appropriate, as well as having more action boosts for longer fights/quests without shrines.

Honestly if I was gonna come back and play, this 20 monk would be the first build I tried since it's been so long since I did a pure build.

Without sniper shot tho, how are you keeping SA damage up all the time? Do you have double Imp Dec procs?

Vendui wrote on Dec 29^th, 2017 at 5:15pm:


This LD fad will last for a month or so until people have gear maxxed out again and then they will go back to Fury for speed runs.

11 dex is worth 0 doubleshot. I sit at 100 dex in fire stance in LD on elf, and will on helf also, so im not sure what doubleshot difference from dex you reference. i understand you dont play the game so you dont understand the current meta though. yes i have improved deception, along with intim tank on bosses, and holds on trash. it seems like you not only dont understand the current meta, but also dont understand basic meta. LD is not a fad. I have been running LD since it came out. It is the best, and always has been. fury has always been a lazy mans way to do decent. it has never been top tier. youre trash kid go home.

Sergod wrote on Dec 29^th, 2017 at 6:55pm:


I remember when I had my first beer, it won't always feel this strong.

Vendui wrote on Dec 30^th, 2017 at 12:24am:


With my gear finished I'm usually at 1400-1600 first number on baba now non crit. I've broken 20k crits on helpless mobs . I was 1 shotting mobs in R1 slavers.  This post right here summarizes my feels regarding this assfart perfectly.

harharharhar wrote on Dec 30^th, 2017 at 12:41pm:


You done sucking yet?