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Reply #275 - Mar 5th, 2018 at 4:41pm
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does this happen when you equip other shuriken?

I've never seen my to hit go over ~130-140 on my thrower, with accuracy gear at 30 (on character sheet).

Where are you seeing this unexplainable to hit value? To be honest however, I don't think I've seen a grazing hit yet in Ravenloft, but I used to get them back in the day on LE shroud.

This must be new'ish (in the last 12-18 months)
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Reply #276 - Mar 5th, 2018 at 6:54pm
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harharharhar wrote on Mar 5th, 2018 at 4:41pm:
does this happen when you equip other shuriken?

I've never seen my to hit go over ~130-140 on my thrower, with accuracy gear at 30 (on character sheet).

Where are you seeing this unexplainable to hit value? To be honest however, I don't think I've seen a grazing hit yet in Ravenloft, but I used to get them back in the day on LE shroud.

This must be new'ish (in the last 12-18 months)


Yup. Last time I actually played a shuriken build was when endgame was LE shroud too, and I didn't get any unexplanable buff to hit. I also played a fighter those days, and I missed crit confirmation on Harry with over +200. Poeple used to twist piercing clarity for that fight. Of course, now content doesn't have same AC as Harry, but this extra bonus with shuriken is probably new.

Maybe it's some bug related to vistani.
  
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Reply #277 - Mar 5th, 2018 at 8:51pm
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harharharhar wrote on Mar 5th, 2018 at 4:41pm:
does this happen when you equip other shuriken?

I've never seen my to hit go over ~130-140 on my thrower, with accuracy gear at 30 (on character sheet).

Where are you seeing this unexplainable to hit value? To be honest however, I don't think I've seen a grazing hit yet in Ravenloft, but I used to get them back in the day on LE shroud.

This must be new'ish (in the last 12-18 months)


Seeing my to hit on my die. Lowest I see is 150ish. Highest I've seen is like 187.
  
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Reply #278 - Mar 6th, 2018 at 11:43am
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I am not getting this weird bonus on my melee monk when i change to shuri.
  
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Reply #279 - Mar 6th, 2018 at 11:50am
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you do know that you get attack bonus for standing still right? I think maybe the AC is just low in RL. Haven't logged in for a couple days, I'll try to tease this out next time I do.
  
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Reply #280 - Mar 6th, 2018 at 12:50pm
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Sounds like y'all know what's up. GLHF. I'm not functionally retarded. I can read my die in bottom right. You actually get an attack penalty for moving, not a bonus for standing still...
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Reply #281 - Mar 6th, 2018 at 1:02pm
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U38: Vistani Weapon Versatility - During our DPS testing we took a look at how this ability impacts builds. We've come to the conclusion that, ultimately, this ability is detrimental to game balance and our ability to make adjustments differently among Melee and Ranged builds. We're planning to make it apply only to Daggers and Throwing Daggers, as it was in our earliest drafts of that ability.

Henshin Mystic - Second, Henshin Mystic currently gets 75 Melee Power in its tree. This is a lot more than other trees get, and it's pretty evenly distributed through its cores. We're of the opinion that this makes both Pure Monks and Monk splashes disproportionately strong (especially given the other benefits of being a Monk), and are planning to alter it from (10/10/10/10/10/25) to (3/3/3/3/3/15). The net effect on Henshin Mystic builds is that their DPS falls in line with most other Two Handed Fighting builds. (We're hoping to do a little further analysis of Two Handed Fighting in general after U38.)


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Reply #282 - Mar 6th, 2018 at 1:12pm
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thank fucking God.

I can finally TR out of this bores me to tears so much I don't want to log in pure 20 monk thrower.

Wish I could say it was fun while it lasted but it was actually extremely boring.
  
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Reply #283 - Mar 6th, 2018 at 1:26pm
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Hey guys. I r nerf herd
  
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Reply #284 - Mar 6th, 2018 at 1:43pm
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Sergod wrote on Mar 6th, 2018 at 1:26pm:
Hey guys. I r nerf herd


it was the exploiti-est of builds while it lasted. I hope you enjoyed your 15 minutes, and I look forward to your next ranged/thrower build.
  
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Reply #285 - Mar 6th, 2018 at 1:59pm
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harharharhar wrote on Mar 6th, 2018 at 11:50am:
you do know that you get attack bonus for standing still right? I think maybe the AC is just low in RL. Haven't logged in for a couple days, I'll try to tease this out next time I do.


It's only 4 points last time I checked and yes, it's a penality for moving
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Reply #286 - Mar 6th, 2018 at 2:29pm
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harharharhar wrote on Mar 6th, 2018 at 1:12pm:
thank fucking God.

I can finally TR out of this bores me to tears so much I don't want to log in pure 20 monk thrower.

Wish I could say it was fun while it lasted but it was actually extremely boring.

now we need to get spite nerfed and fury nerfed. shav shouldnt be able to KO 500k in 6 seconds.
  

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Reply #287 - Mar 6th, 2018 at 2:37pm
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Ugh, how am I supposed to play again if they are nerfing monks?
  

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Reply #288 - Mar 6th, 2018 at 2:40pm
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harharharhar wrote on Mar 6th, 2018 at 1:43pm:
it was the exploiti-est of builds while it lasted. I hope you enjoyed your 15 minutes, and I look forward to your next ranged/thrower build.

ill play meta. well see where that lands. eso for now
  
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Reply #289 - Mar 6th, 2018 at 3:12pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Mar 6th, 2018 at 2:29pm:
now we need to get spite nerfed and fury nerfed. shav shouldnt be able to KO 500k in 6 seconds.


For the record I don't like that they did these nerfs this way. Also, MP based over RP based pure Monk is not that far ahead as 5Foot et al have shown. They should have just fixed Prowess to be back to 75 MP, and kept versatility since it wasn't providing much bang for the buck. I like the Henshin nerfs, it was WAY too much MP way too easily and forced a build decision which is never good. 

Spite doesn't look to be on the radar, and as you say Fury is still rad but you have to manage your radness, it's not just there all the time. I think it's actually fine.

I just really want some ED buffs so I can try some new builds out. And either thrower expertise feat, or more doubleshot for non-shuriken thrown weapons.
  
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Reply #290 - Mar 6th, 2018 at 3:23pm
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harharharhar wrote on Mar 6th, 2018 at 3:12pm:
I just really want some ED buffs so I can try some new builds out. And either thrower expertise feat, or more doubleshot for non-shuriken thrown weapons.

would have been dope years ago. they need an ED pass.
  

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Reply #291 - Mar 6th, 2018 at 5:38pm
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MP is far ahead of RP because it doesn't exist in a vacuum. You and FFS are trash players who don't actually play this game. You are comparing in a spreadsheet. MP build maintains this dmg constantly vs your vacuum your spread sheet lives in.
  
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Reply #292 - Mar 6th, 2018 at 5:44pm
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Even the devs understand this hence the nerf. Congrats you're even more fucking retarded than SSG. Truly an accomplishment.
  
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Reply #293 - Mar 6th, 2018 at 7:16pm
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My main has been a pure 20 monk largely following your build for about 6 weeks now. I am just missing Spite in my gear. I know exactly how your build plays.

Don't be a little cunt. Your build was literally always 1 tiny nerf (fixing prowess to give 75 MP instead of 100) from being dead nuts even with an RP build.
  
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Reply #294 - Mar 6th, 2018 at 7:23pm
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harharharhar wrote on Mar 6th, 2018 at 7:16pm:
My main has been a pure 20 monk largely following your build for about 6 weeks now. I am just missing Spite in my gear. I know exactly how your build plays.

Don't be a little cunt. Your build was literally always 1 tiny nerf (fixing prowess to give 75 MP instead of 100) from being dead nuts even with an RP build.

No. rp builds would have to sit there, in one spot for 10 seconds, before they built up enough rp stacks to catch up to mp prowess.
  

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Reply #295 - Mar 6th, 2018 at 7:24pm
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harharharhar wrote on Mar 6th, 2018 at 7:16pm:
MYour build was literally always 1 tiny nerf (fixing prowess to give 75 MP instead of 100) from being dead nuts even with an RP build.


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Reply #296 - Mar 6th, 2018 at 7:25pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Mar 6th, 2018 at 7:23pm:
No. rp builds would have to sit there, in one spot for 10 seconds, before they built up enough rp stacks to catch up to mp prowess.


+10-14 AP
  
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Reply #297 - Mar 6th, 2018 at 7:28pm
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harharharhar wrote on Mar 6th, 2018 at 7:25pm:
+10-14 AP

who cares. one spot. stationary. cant even ips those numbers.
  

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Reply #298 - Mar 6th, 2018 at 8:25pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Mar 6th, 2018 at 7:28pm:
who cares. one spot. stationary. cant even ips those numbers.


So if you lose 25MP from the nerf to Prowess I stipulated, you start DOWN 15MP (Deadly Rain + 10k = ~90RP, vs Prowess at 75MP). AF stacks only make that delta worse.

Henshin was good for 20-35 depending on AP spend, which means MP would have been 5-20MP ahead with only a small nerf to Prowess to it's stated value of 75 MP.

This is close enough, that with those 14 AP spent getting RP in Harper (9RP specifically) that this further reduces down to -4 to 9MP ahead all in with IPS. 

I rest my case.

This is all BEFORE AF stacks, which puts you WELL AHEAD OF THE MP BUILD FOR RED NAMES. Do you even build bro?
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Reply #299 - Mar 6th, 2018 at 8:40pm
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harharharhar wrote on Mar 6th, 2018 at 8:25pm:
So if you lose 25MP from the nerf to Prowess I stipulated, you start DOWN 15MP (Deadly Rain + 10k = ~90RP, vs Prowess at 75MP). AF stacks only make that delta worse.

Henshin was good for 20-35 depending on AP spend, which means MP would have been 5-20MP ahead with only a small nerf to Prowess to it's stated value of 75 MP.

This is close enough, that with those 14 AP spent getting RP in Harper (9RP specifically) that this further reduces down to -4 to 9MP ahead all in with IPS. 

I rest my case.

This is all BEFORE AF stacks, which puts you WELL AHEAD OF THE MP BUILD FOR RED NAMES. Do you even build bro?

are you counting deadly rain and longshadow versus just grand prowess buff of 75, alone, without its filigree bonuses? are you counting that itemization cost of having to include 20 wis, 7 i wis, 4 q wis? you missed a lot in your mumble math above
  

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