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Damn you, beat me to posting it
  
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Looks like that will neuter wolves, too.
  
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Reply #3 - Feb 7th, 2018 at 3:03pm
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This looks great thematically.
No melee power though which is kinda scary to be honest.
Am very happy about the Elemental absorption (65%).

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1*(.8)*(.85)*(.90)*(.7)*(0.45)=0.192

Heroic greensteel offhand
+ 30% boots
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Probably still doesn't make sense to not use a shield, but its cute. They could amp the absorption up to 80% IMO.
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Reply #4 - Feb 7th, 2018 at 3:15pm
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Some of the changes reflect a basic miscomprehension of the tree...

...applying spot to baiting bite isn't gonna fix it... ...melee druids don't build wisdom...
  

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Which dev has the hard on for temporary hp? Wait, is temporary hp reduced by reaper self heal penalties?
  
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gibbon wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 4:31pm:
Which dev has the hard on for temporary hp? Wait, is temporary hp reduced by reaper self heal penalties?


No.  It is not.
  
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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 3:03pm:
No melee power though which is kinda scary to be honest.


Why break up the monk monopoly on melee builds?
  
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Passes should make the game more fun to play. I don't think DDO has accomplished that since Reaper came out. Meh.
  

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Bear druids get the shaft and wolves get snipped for their exploits, but gain a reasonable power gain to make up for it.

Atleast the possibility of pure wolf druids exists. Bears are gimped until we have info on natural fighting and whether or not bears get glancing blows and or melee power boosts to actual make their abilities deal damage.
  
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Edrein wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 5:41pm:
Bear druids get the shaft and wolves get snipped for their exploits, but gain a reasonable power gain to make up for it.

Atleast the possibility of pure wolf druids exists. Bears are gimped until we have info on natural fighting and whether or not bears get glancing blows and or melee power boosts to actual make their abilities deal damage.

They should make take every number in the bear tree and a 1 to it. Bears deserve to have the upper hand over wolves for a little while. There is like 1 bear to 100 wolf druids. Online
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 7th, 2018 at 6:31pm
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depends on what stays, can see some intersting bear builds with what they have there.
  

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Reply #12 - Feb 7th, 2018 at 6:47pm
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Are they just saying Primal Avatar when they mean Avatar of Nature?

I almost embrace them nerfing trees so I have a good reason to finally quit this game.
  
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Reply #13 - Feb 7th, 2018 at 6:48pm
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And yeah, they need to make changes that make other classes/builds as fun as the tree, wolves, etc. instead of bringing everyone down to some boring cookie cutter thing.
  
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I read through it, and while it's a little hard on the eyes, I can't say I hate it completely.

At least they're LOOKING at the bear builds and doing SOMETHING.

Even if that "something" is just making bears the Stalwart Defender of Druids.

I agree that they need to add a LOT of damage output to bears... Attack speed affects DPS more than Melee Power/Flat Damage Bonuses/% affects.

Starting with glancing blows and an x4 multiplier on bear form attacks is a good start. Better still would be knock-back or knock down effects like using a gXbow while in bear form (using a STR based DC).

I guess what I'm saying is bear needs to be more Vanguard and less Stalwart Defender.

Everyone knew the wolf nerfs were coming... don't pretend you're surprised about it.
  

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SpaceGoat wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 5:53pm:
They should make take every number in the bear tree and a 1 to it. Bears deserve to have the upper hand over wolves for a little while. There is like 1 bear to 100 wolf druids. Online


I think you're overstating the amount of bears.
  

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Reply #16 - Feb 7th, 2018 at 7:50pm
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After seeing this, I am coming back to the game to make a bear!

I know what you are all wondering. Why would someone who only played druids to get the past life coming back to play a bear?

I don't know SSG, I don't know.
  

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Asheras wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 4:49pm:
No.  It is not.

Thanks. Maybe getting half a stalk for temp hp myself now.

So there's like 600% threat in the bear tree. Even with that will it be able to actually pull aggro away from somebody who is trying?
  
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gibbon wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 9:47pm:
Thanks. Maybe getting half a stalk for temp hp myself now.

So there's like 600% threat in the bear tree. Even with that will it be able to actually pull aggro away from somebody who is trying?

I'm willing to bet  the answer is "No".

I recall reading somewhere that threat generation has to be on the order of 1000% or more to pull aggro off actual DPS.

Apparently the devs are still catching up on this tidbit of trivia.

Good hate tanking always required DPS to function.

Bear needs more hitting power because even with these buffs it's pretty "meh".

And this is from a guy who loves rolling gimps.
  

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Metal-Beast wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 10:08pm:
I'm willing to bet  the answer is "No".

I recall reading somewhere that threat generation has to be on the order of 1000% or more to pull aggro off actual DPS.

Apparently the devs are still catching up on this tidbit of trivia.

Good hate tanking always required DPS to function.

Bear needs more hitting power because even with these buffs it's pretty "meh".

And this is from a guy who loves rolling gimps.


I don't think half the playerbase, let alone the devs can be made to understand that a tank needs to deal decent DPS to keep aggro.

Which is a shame, vanguard had nice potential but was still held back to appease the "tanks shouldn't DPS" crowd. And I expect bear druids will remain in the dumpster as well.
  
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Reply #20 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:32am
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The Bear Druid has some potential, but not pure 20 Druid.   

That said, my preference would have been for bear to be more Barbarian than SD/Tank.  Make the Wolf the high attack speed, lower damage per hit TWF skirmish style melee and make the bear the barbarian rage/glancing blows/big crits THF style melee variant.   

Making it a little tanky was fine.  Making it totally tanky with only a little barb flavor was not the direction I was hoping for.   But we already have Clerics trumping Pally and Fighter Tanks.  Why not Druids too?
  
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Reply #21 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:25am
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One thing I really like is them adding bonuses to a spell while in a certain form. Lots of potential there.

I would have loved something like this
When barkskin is cast, in addition to its normal effects, if
Wolf add 1 dodge
Big wolf 2 dodge
Bear add 2 con
Big bear 2 con and a 3 prr
Fire elemental 2 prr and 5 fire res
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Reply #22 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:38am
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I made a shadar-kai bear once.  It looks really funny when the chain is swinging around your little bear body.

Otherwise, bears have the best dance emote.  OP
  
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Reply #23 - Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:47am
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Asheras wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:32am:
That said, my preference would have been for bear to be more Barbarian than SD/Tank.

Bear-barian! (you knew that was coming)

Asheras wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:32am:
Make the Wolf the high attack speed, lower damage per hit TWF skirmish style melee

OK.. Then why roll a Ranger?

Asheras wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:32am:
make the bear the barbarian rage/glancing blows/big crits THF style melee variant.

OK... Then why roll a Barbarian?

Asheras wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:32am:
Making it a little tanky was fine.  Making it totally tanky with only a little barb flavor was not the direction I was hoping for.

Agreed.

Asheras wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 8:32am:
But we already have Clerics trumping Pally and Fighter Tanks.  Why not Druids too?

Probably because Clerics are already trumping Pally and Fighter Tanks.

None of this is a polemic directed towards you.

The issue at hand is that Druids fall into a very murky "What the hell is the point of this?" area in DDO and have been that way since PnP.

So many of the interesting abilities Druids SHOULD have don't map to a video game simply because they are roleplay driven, and require DM moderation to keep in balance (like shapeshifting).

Another bone of contention that had the devs swallowing their tongues in fits used to be the "OP" nature of self-healing classes who could also DPS.

With Reaper, self heals are almost fucking irrelevant, unless you have massive hamp, massive positive spellpower, high UMD, or all of the above.

This would likely change if one of the dev staff played Druid.

It's why Arty seems to always get things like 1000 Party-Wide Temp HP every 10 seconds (because a staffer plays an Arty live, I forget which dev) and every other class gets the shaft with no lube.

  

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Metal-Beast wrote on Feb 8th, 2018 at 10:47am:
Bear-barian! (you knew that was coming)

OK.. Then why roll a Ranger?

OK... Then why roll a Barbarian?

Agreed.

Probably because Clerics are already trumping Pally and Fighter Tanks.

None of this is a polemic directed towards you.

The issue at hand is that Druids fall into a very murky "What the hell is the point of this?" area in DDO and have been that way since PnP.

So many of the interesting abilities Druids SHOULD have don't map to a video game simply because they are roleplay driven, and require DM moderation to keep in balance (like shapeshifting).

Another bone of contention that had the devs swallowing their tongues in fits used to be the "OP" nature of self-healing classes who could also DPS.

With Reaper, self heals are almost fucking irrelevant, unless you have massive hamp, massive positive spellpower, high UMD, or all of the above.

This would likely change if one of the dev staff played Druid.

It's why Arty seems to always get things like 1000 Party-Wide Temp HP every 10 seconds (because a staffer plays an Arty live, I forget which dev) and every other class gets the shaft with no lube.


This is true for a lot of classes.  Sorcerers and FvS have struggled for years because their differences from Wizards and Clerics is hard to translate into a video game.  Druids suffer from this as well.  I think Artificer has suffered from this a lot.  As has monk.   

The Fighter/Pally/Barb/Ranger/Rogue/Cleric/Wizard/Bard crew is pretty easy to define and differentiate.  Outside of those 8, though, it can get tricky.   
  
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