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Apr 26th, 2018 at 3:25pm
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Dear Daybreak Community,

There has been some confusion concerning Daybreak’s ownership and rumors about the state of the company that have circulated from a few online game websites, and we want to set the record straight. We assure you that these rumors are entirely false and that there’s no impact on our business or games in any way whatsoever.

From the get-go, Daybreak has been primarily owned by Jason Epstein, a longtime investor who also has investments in a variety of media properties. Jason acquired Daybreak (formerly SOE) in February 2015 and has been the executive chairman and majority owner of the company since that time.

We’re well aware of prior statements from Daybreak indicating our company was acquired by Columbus Nova. We have since clarified that the company was acquired by Jason Epstein when he was a partner at Columbus Nova, which he left in 2017. We’ve also taken steps to clarify those facts on our website and on third-party internet sites to ensure that all of the information currently made available is consistent and accurate.

We apologize for the previous miscommunication and hope that this clears up any confusion. As always, we greatly appreciate your continued support for our games, and we'll continue to work hard to bring the best experiences to you.





https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/496012-Regarding-Daybreak%E2%80%99s-Ow...
  

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It is only a "thing" because Columbus Nova is getting part or all of it's assets frozen due to some involvement (through some ownership ties) to a "Russian Oligarch" involved in meddling with the 2016 election. 

http://www.mmogames.com/gamenews/daybreak-games-parent-company-assets-frozen/
  
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Ahhh...thanks. Was unaware of this.
  

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Another article is stating that Daybreak is laying people off. This may effect us since we're downstream.
  

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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Apr 26th, 2018 at 6:22pm:
Another article is stating that Daybreak is laying people off. This may effect us since we're downstream.


How? To Daybreak, we are best an after-thought. The support is outsourced, so its not likely to make that any shittier.
  

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Keep in mind, Daybreak is the Publisher.   SSG is the developer.   

The relationship is similar to Bantam Books and George R.R. Martin.  They are the publishers.  He is the author.   IF they go out of business, he can still write his books.  And find a different publisher.  Ok  bad example.  He doesn't write books anymore...    Angry
  
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Asheras wrote on Apr 27th, 2018 at 9:15pm:
Keep in mind, Daybreak is the Publisher.   SSG is the developer.   

The relationship is similar to Bantam Books and George R.R. Martin.  They are the publishers.  He is the author.   IF they go out of business, he can still write his books.  And find a different publisher.  Ok  bad example.  He doesn't write books anymore...    Angry


It might be more accurate to say that SSG is the developer, but Daybreak is the majority shareholder.  That is completely unlike the relationship between a book author and their publishing house.
  

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Frank wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 3:25am:
Daybreak is the majority shareholder. 


Where di you get that ?

I've been looking for a while and there's nothing to be found at all on who are the shareholders of SSG.

  

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Frank wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 3:25am:
It might be more accurate to say that SSG is the developer, but Daybreak is the majority shareholder.  That is completely unlike the relationship between a book author and their publishing house.


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Reply #10 - May 1st, 2018 at 10:34am
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Frank wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 3:25am:
It might be more accurate to say that SSG is the developer, but Daybreak is the majority shareholder. 

Just HOW accurate?

That's completely new info as far as I know.
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Flav wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 7:13am:
Where di you get that ?

I've been looking for a while and there's nothing to be found at all on who are the shareholders of SSG.




Where did I got that?  I took the insanely innovative and fairly lazy step of following the links given in this very thread.  Grats on beating me at lazy btw.  Keep following links.  Don't worry the articles and short and most have pictures even if they are lacking in good porn.  In one they quote Rob Ciccione, Severlin, supposed boss at SSG as stating that some Daybreak guy is his direct boss.

Now I might not be a corporate lawyer but I'm guessing that the Daybreak guy didn't contribute a bunch of bjs to SSG in order to get himself into the "direct boss" position.  My extensive and highly valid tv and movie knowledge of prison tells me that the bj giving are usually on the other side of that equation.

SSG wasn't formed and doesn't operate for free.  Ciccione could have mortgaged his house, and that would be amusing but unlikely.  I'm going to go way out on a limb and guess that "Executive producer at a wholly owned subsidiary" might be a nice paying job, but isn't a job that pays enough for you to be able to buy the company.  Smart men gamble with other prople's money after they convince them that soemthing is a money maker and/or a good place to launder some russian olivebark cash.

Also found that Daybreak is incredibly sketchy.  They claim that their entire 3+ year history oif claiming and repeating to be owned by some russian ollydark company was just "oopsy, a miscommunication" that they are fixing just now because they suddenly realized their error and wanted to escape the sanctions I mean correct the record.  And that the issues with the russian doileyclark company that owns them I mean that doesn't own them won't impact them at all.  And all is well, so very very well that you will get sick of the winning wellness, and then immediately did a bunch of layoffs.  Because that doesn't look suspicious at all.
  

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Digimonk wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 12:39pm:
I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive.


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Digimonk wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:58pm:
I will not chone.

I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect.


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Here ya go:

http://massivelyop.com/2018/04/30/the-daily-grind-do-you-buy-the-daybreak-owns-s...

And here's where all of the "We're happy to annouce that they own us!" uuuuuhhhhh..... "No wait, they don't own us and have never owned us!" crap is exposed to the warm breeze:

http://massivelyop.com/2018/04/24/daybreaks-russian-parent-companys-assets-are-f...

And there's still more, all linked from one or more of those links or the places they link.  And that took me less than 5 minutes to find and another 5 to post for you lazy fucks.

  

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Digimonk wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 12:39pm:
I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive.


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Digimonk wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:58pm:
I will not chone.

I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect.


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Oh lookie here, I don't see Ciccilini listed as an officer, but I do see some daybreak guy listed as an officer:

https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ma/001252517
  

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Digimonk wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 12:39pm:
I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive.


Smart players know how to use buyback.

Digimonk wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:58pm:
I will not chone.

I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect.


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Frank wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 1:27pm:
Oh lookie here, I don't see Ciccilini listed as an officer, but I do see some daybreak guy listed as an officer:

https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ma/001252517


This may or may not mean anything.   Anyone who has ever owned/registered a corporation knows that. 


Suzie Ford at MMORPG reported:
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Daybreak also recently acquired the Turbine spin-off Standing Stone Games who continue to run veteran MMOs: Lord of the Rings Online and Dungeons & Dragons Online.
   here:
https://www.mmorpg.com/columns/rumor-daybreak-games-in-talks-for-possible-acquis...

It would be interesting to know what her sources were for that reporting.  Because that seems to be the most compelling information presented that there is an ownership relationship and that it exceeds 50.1%.   (The term "acquired" should only be used when controlling interest exists.)   
  
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My extensive and highly valid tv and movie knowledge of prison

You were on TV? Like, news crews come interview you all the time about overcrowding or something?
  

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Asheras wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 2:52pm:
This may or may not mean anything.   Anyone who has ever owned/registered a corporation knows that. 


I owned and ofc registered a LLC, and some Daybreak guy wasn't listed as an officer.  I was.
  

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Digimonk wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 12:39pm:
I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive.


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Digimonk wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:58pm:
I will not chone.

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Frank wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 3:08pm:
I owned and ofc registered a LLC, and some Daybreak guy wasn't listed as an officer.  I was.


I own my company with two partners  But I'm not listed, nor are they.   I use a registered agent and a CPA listed.   3rd parties provide those services.  it is not at all uncommon.   Being listed there does not require any ownership or operational control.  It may, or it may not.   You need more information to say anything definitive.
  
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Asheras wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 4:15pm:
You need more information to say anything definitive.


You mean like Ciccolini stating that the Daybreak guy was his direct boss?  Not his cpa, not his agent.  His boss.

I'd wonder why I even need to repeat this given that it's been stated above in the thread.  But then I realize that it's you.  You have a bias which is as clear as Daybreak.
  

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Digimonk wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 12:39pm:
I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive.


Smart players know how to use buyback.

Digimonk wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:58pm:
I will not chone.

I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect.


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Reply #19 - May 1st, 2018 at 6:16pm
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When they freeze daybreak assets, we'll see what happens.

If DDO and LOTRO are revenue positive it will  be fine... ...hopefully... ....

Worst case scenario the Feds decide to liquidate the assets rather than just selling the shares off again.
  

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Frank wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 1:27pm:
Oh lookie here, I don't see Ciccilini listed as an officer, but I do see some daybreak guy listed as an officer:

https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ma/001252517



Doesn't means anything... he can be registered there as a private citizen and not as a daybreak guy.

Thypical example : https://opencorporates.com/companies/gb/07094505

While one of the officers is the actual owner, the other two are not, and all are there are private citizens, not representatives of any other company.

As long as we don't have a definite shareholder or owner listing ( which is going to be difficult to get with LLC/LTD/SAS ) there's no proof that Daybreak own SSG.
  

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Frank wrote on May 1st, 2018 at 6:02pm:
You mean like Ciccolini stating that the Daybreak guy was his direct boss?  Not his cpa, not his agent.  His boss.

I'd wonder why I even need to repeat this given that it's been stated above in the thread.  But then I realize that it's you.  You have a bias which is as clear as Daybreak.


Nice pulling a quote out of context in one conversation and applying it to something else.  I made that comment about needing more information specifically about the MA Organizational Database.   

In my prior post, I even identified that Suzie Ford reporting that Daybreak owns SSG was the most compelling information.   Because she wouldn't report it unless she had two independent sources that confirm it. 

But sure, take my quote out of context and then pretend I said something I didn't.  Typical Frank. 
   

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Asheras wrote on May 2nd, 2018 at 9:16am:
Nice pulling a quote out of context in one conversation and applying it to something else. 


It's not at all out of context, and only a shill like you would attempt to claim that it is in your neverending quest to suck a bunch of SSG dick.

Ahem:  It feels like you are arguing just to do that "I have to win this internet argument.  Let me find a way to pick at this or stretch it to absurdity and then call it absurd." thing.   

Let me lay it out for you:

You claim that Daybreak guy might have simply provided legal services to SSG, and therefor might have no other connection to SSG such as being an officer of the company or a majority shareholder.
I point out that you don't typically refer to your cpa as "your direct boss," because that's just a guy you paid to perform a simple service for you.  You probably refer to you housecleaner as "your direct boss" though, so I can see your confusion.  But this is a way you, well not you but someone with the common sense not to call their cpa their direct boss, might refer to the guy who ponied up the cash to allow you to keep your job by buying out the parts of your former company which were about to be shuttered.
Your head explodes as you attempt to whitewash and bury this incredible "what he did for us"/"how I refer to him" inconsistency which makes your theory valueless under your usual pile of pro-ssg bullshit.

It's really that simple, just like your mind.
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Digimonk wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 12:39pm:
I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive.


Smart players know how to use buyback.

Digimonk wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:58pm:
I will not chone.

I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect.


Smart people don't elicit "side effects."  They understand in advance the consequences of their actions.
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Let's have ourselves a segment of Bill Maher's "I don't know it for a fact, I just know that it's true."

I don't know for a fact that Daybreak or some Daybreak officer is the majority shareholder of SSG, I just know that it's true.

I don't know for a fact that if you want to launder money you might consider pumping funds into a small, largely under the radar gaming company via "Whales" who can be located anywhere in the world, who can use many different currencies, who can use many different payment types to pay into the company you are the majority shareholders of, I just know that it's true.

You thought it was spoiled Saudi princes keeping the lights on at SSG?  Nah, it was rooshin golly sharks.

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Digimonk wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 12:39pm:
I've had multiple RoSS rot just from doing the explorer points in Sands across multiple lives since it is exclusive.


Smart players know how to use buyback.

Digimonk wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:58pm:
I will not chone.

I did what I did intentionally and while my primary purpose was not to annoy the other Vaulties, I acknowledge that it was a side effect.


Smart people don't elicit "side effects."  They understand in advance the consequences of their actions.
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