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THF Wolf build?
Jul 22nd, 2018 at 2:51pm
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Could anyone outline a THF Wolf build?
  
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Reply #1 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 4:33pm
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I'm somewhat curious... the huge advantage to a Woof build is/was the freakish speed with which they can lay down the DPS.. Back when Eveningstar first debuted I was accused several times of using cheats and exploits because the beat downs on Epic Elite beasties was so fast it looked like I was one-shoting them.

But with all the changes, do Woofs have any advantage with TWF over THF now? What about the glorious double dip of SWF/TWF?

I'd be interested in what Sym of the other compulsive grinders have come up with... you KNOW its just a matter of time Smiley
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Reply #2 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 5:10pm
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ZooperDooper wrote on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 4:33pm:
Back when Eveningstar first debuted I was accused several times of using cheats and exploits because the beat downs on Epic Elite beasties was so fast it looked like I was one-shoting them.


I remember wolf with cheese, usually all the sound effects of the 20 different weapon effects was a giveaway :p

Neither SWF/TWF work with wolf form now.

See the build in this thread, Sylvanus maul cleric/druid/fighter for divine might and fighter goodness. Sprinkle enhancements to taste.
http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1523927695
  
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Reply #3 - Jul 22nd, 2018 at 7:58pm
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wolves and bears do not need to use a thf weapon. the mainhand can be any weapon you like and the offhand can be anything that doesnt break druidic oath. the mainhand gets the full crit/dice/procs/etc on it, and the offhand can only carry over passives since it will never register an attack. very useful for orb/shield/rune arm/ or another weapon with passives like hamp/armor pierce/ doublestrike/alacrity/ etc.
  

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Reply #4 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 3:06am
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Would a handaxe get Headsman's Chop to work, even if it was only in offhand?
  

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Reply #5 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 5:05pm
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dunno. dont have one at cap and didnt get around to testing them last lama. I will next time that lama comes up. Some animal variations mostly using kensei, vanguard with offhand shield in form, or barb trees. I will check to see what offhand can do with pulverizer and headmans chop
  

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Reply #6 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 6:34pm
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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 3:06am:
Would a handaxe get Headsman's Chop to work, even if it was only in offhand?


Dont think headmans chop will do anything in your off hand as in animal form you only use your base main hand weapon.  You should still retain other passive abilities from your off hand weapon such as doublestrike, parrying, etc.
  
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Reply #7 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 6:57pm
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Am playing monk atm, I'll roll up a druid next. Just cranking out asamir racials and doing some rxp.
  

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Reply #8 - Jul 23rd, 2018 at 8:35pm
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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 6:57pm:
Am playing monk atm, I'll roll up a druid next. Just cranking out asamir racials and doing some rxp.

you will be delighted to know that every single wolf/bear specific spell still erroneously displays the old dc formula of 10+ spell level + wisdom mod only. The new formulas are 10+druid level ( or half of druid levels ) + wisdom or str mod + trip or stun bonuses.

bear is fun in heroics. while it is no warlock, it is very fun. the class gets around 6 different trips and stuns from spells and ap. I believe with past lives and racial ap that you could very easily build a hybrid for low skull heroic soloing. less melee more spell focused to retain dcs, and using falcon tree for wis to dmg. though that wont come together until lv 15+ due to ap cost of falcon tree's wis to damage. 
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Mockduck wrote on Aug 30th, 2010 at 2:20pm:
I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Re: THF Wolf build?
Reply #9 - Jul 24th, 2018 at 4:02am
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I've played around with a wolf build that worked pretty nicely on Lamannia.

Dex Based Halfling Centered Kensei Wolf...
Alignment must be Lawful Neutral!
6 Monk (Monk Stances, Evasion, 25% incorp, Dex to Hit and DMG)
6 Fighter (Feats, Tier 5 in Kensei, Dodge, Haste Boost etc.)
8 Druid for Winter Wolf.

Probably shitty to level since it only comes together at lvl 20 and its kinda iffy to get all the feats in at the right time

The build had standing 45 Attack speed through wolf, 87% standing doublestrike (non optimized) in Air Stance, Monk like dodge (think around 43%), usable evasion and overall good saves. Been using U38 Falchion and twisted in dance of flowers from GMoF. Crits were 14-18*3/ 19-20*5

Feats you should consider:
3x natural Fighting
2x Monk Stances Feats
Imp Crit Slashing,
Power Attack, Cleave, great cleave
Or Precision, Dodge, Mobility

Just some food for thought
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Reply #10 - Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:02pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Jul 23rd, 2018 at 8:35pm:
you will be delighted to know that every single wolf/bear specific spell still erroneously displays the old dc formula of 10+ spell level + wisdom mod only. The new formulas are 10+druid level ( or half of druid levels ) + wisdom or str mod + trip or stun bonuses.


Fighter class feat tactical Combatant does not increase the DC of Bear Rush. And we have no way of knowing if they do affect bear and wolf form specific spell DCs since the tooltip is displaying the old formula. I will have to test if AP tactical bonuses affect the DC,like those found in kensei, etc. Is anyone certain the epic tactician feat works here, or Astral Scion? Do combat mastery items?
  

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I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Reply #11 - Jul 25th, 2018 at 7:51am
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Swaggy wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 4:02am:
...Imp Crit Slashing...



Wut?  Huh Shouldn't this be blunt?
  
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Reply #12 - Jul 25th, 2018 at 9:41am
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you still need the imp crit that corresponds with your weapon. I used the U38 falchion which has keen so i could have skipped it perhaps. But since you have to focus on a group of weapons in kensei to get centered with you might as well take it.
  
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Reply #13 - Jul 25th, 2018 at 10:11am
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kensei tactics bonus does not work for bear charge dc. I think it is every wording that states tactics will not grant the dc bonus and wording with stunning/trip will?

assuming the above this would mean that the following will not work

Fighter tactics feat -tested
kensei tactics boost -tested

not tested;
racial tactics boost in dwarf and toaster tree
stalwart defender tree
pdk knight training
harper kta
divine might
fighter past lives
astral scion
ld tactics tier 1 twist
gmof +3 to tactics
combat mastery items

  

Mockduck wrote on Aug 30th, 2010 at 2:20pm:
I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Reply #14 - Jul 25th, 2018 at 2:55pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Jul 24th, 2018 at 6:02pm:
And we have no way of knowing if they do affect bear and wolf form specific spell DCs since the tooltip is displaying the old formula.


PvP is very useful for testing.
  

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Reply #15 - Jul 25th, 2018 at 4:26pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jul 25th, 2018 at 2:55pm:
PvP is very useful for testing.



Mind you, trust is an issue....

I hear if Rubbinns isn't doing well he tries to stick his finger in yer butt....
  
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Reply #16 - Jul 25th, 2018 at 4:45pm
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ZooperDooper wrote on Jul 25th, 2018 at 4:26pm:
Mind you, trust is an issue....

I hear if Rubbinns isn't doing well he tries to stick his finger in yer butt....

hey! I do that if i'm doing well too
  

Mockduck wrote on Aug 30th, 2010 at 2:20pm:
I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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