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Re: Rose Colored Goggles.... nerfed
Reply #25 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 12:19pm
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Synchrono wrote on Jan 8th, 2019 at 12:58pm:
I was just that for 10 Party favors you could get the Rose Goggles that were ML30 items so feeding them to a gem was 300xp... the nerf drops it to 10xp.  The whole part of the "exploit" as it was isn't really an exploit but if you had a group of 6 competent people you could finish a 6 star run in under 2 minutes for your whopping 11 Party Favors and party til your eyes bleed out basically. 200 Goggles would max a gem at 60,000 Sentient XP and would take you roughly 2.5 hours of grinding maybe a little more with a dedicated group.

Not easy mind you but doable.



That's not even a great deal. It's not hard to average a level 30 named item every few minutes just in normal questing. I'd much rather do Ravenloft sagas and WPM ten times each than that event 200 times.
  

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Reply #26 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 1:07pm
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Starkjade wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 10:24am:
Ten kits are 245 pts.

How fucking poor are you?

'cause I'm really poor, and 245 points is really, really easy to come up with.

I'm far from poor.  Clearly, there's a reason you're poor though and that statement is a good indication of why.  You're bad at big picture thinking.

Sure, 225 points worth of tool kits isn't bad at all,  but your point only stands if you just sit at cap on a single toon and TR maybe once every 6-12 months.  Surprisingly, many people don't play that way and SSG hasn't designed the game that way.  If they really wanted people to sit at cap, they'd not have put in 130+ PLs and would release more than one or two end-game raids and mission packs per year.

So it's only 225 points until you TR to a new build that uses different weapons.  Then the total is 225 points for this TR, then 450 points for the next TR.  Then 675 points on the third.  And suddenly, you're 2k points in and realize you're fucking poor.

That's my main point and gripe with the sentient system.  The *legit* leveling rate of the jewels is completely at odds with a game who's 'end-game' is frequently TRing your toon into different classes and builds.  The one grind is completely out of touch with the other, which results in needing to do something stupid like repeatedly run a shitty, 2-min mission 300 times to sync the rates up.


Asheras wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 10:37am:
Over time?  Would it be so bad if you didn't max out a new grind on day 1?   I remember getting GH dragon armors fully upgraded the first weekend on 4 characters and being...disappointed.   Despite the extra power they delivered at the time.

I don't disagree with most of this, although I'm not even remotely disappointed in with 8-slot sentient jewels.  The filigree system provides a great way to customize a weapon for your build and fill in some gaps.  However, as mentioned above, the problem is the massive disparity in grind rates between TRs and leveling sentient jewels.  Not being able to max out a sentient jewel on day one isn't bad, but not being able to max one out in 3-4 months of normal playing is. 

It should be reasonable to be max a jewel if you were diligent about feeding it the majority of the named items you pulled while doing 2 or 3 full TRs and chilling at cap few weeks before the next TR.  Currently though, the max jewel to TR rate is probably more like 1/15 since the majority of named items you loot during a TR aren't level 30.  Grind is fine in moderation.  SSG just doesn't understand what moderation is.


Zehnpai wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 11:11am:
I mean, if you hate running this event as much as you say you do, shouldn't you be glad they nerfed this since you now have no incentive to put yourself through a shitty quest you hate?

I would be if there were other options for leveling sentient jewels in a reasonably and timely manner.  There aren't though.
  
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Reply #27 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 1:30pm
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Your point about the TR seems to undermine itself. If you TR and run stuff on Elite/Reaper whatever, then you're going to be getting max favor from any quests you do. Typically getting from 1-20 is going to get you far more than 225 TP, since 225 TP is only 1100 favor.

I somewhat agree that sentient toolkits are overpriced, but for a different reason. I think any TP amount for them is too high considering their drop rate; if Turbine were fair-minded, they'd give us other ways to obtain the toolkits other than the seemingly non-existent droprates from the Ravenloft chests. As it stands, the only practical way to get more of these toolkits is to spend TP, which I find a bit scummy. It's not so much that 225 TP is an unfair price; to me, being forced to pay any price is what's unfair here.

It's kind of like Yellow Derpants. They were a great idea when they were released (and long overdue, considering how many veteran players had wanted to deconstruct GS) but the only realistic way to obtain them was via TP, since their droprates were virtually nonexistent.
  
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Reply #28 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 2:07pm
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Your point about the TR seems to undermine itself. If you TR and run stuff on Elite/Reaper whatever, then you're going to be getting max favor from any quests you do. Typically getting from 1-20 is going to get you far more than 225 TP, since 225 TP is only 1100 favor.

I somewhat agree that sentient toolkits are overpriced, but for a different reason. I think any TP amount for them is too high considering their drop rate; if Turbine were fair-minded, they'd give us other ways to obtain the toolkits other than the seemingly non-existent droprates from the Ravenloft chests. As it stands, the only practical way to get more of these toolkits is to spend TP, which I find a bit scummy. It's not so much that 225 TP is an unfair price; to me, being forced to pay any price is what's unfair here.

It's kind of like Yellow Derpants. They were a great idea when they were released (and long overdue, considering how many veteran players had wanted to deconstruct GS) but the only realistic way to obtain them was via TP, since their droprates were virtually nonexistent.

It doesn't undermine anything. 

You're not considering the opportunity cost of spending that 225 TP on sentient tool kits instead of something else.  I'd rather spend TP on 50% xp pots, slayers pots and raid timer bypasses for example instead of tool kits for a poorly balanced system. 
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Reply #29 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 2:55pm
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Digimonk wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 1:22am:
A year in and you've only got 2 gems maxed?  And you actually have the nerve to tell other people to get good?  You're a scrub and that just confirmed it.  LOL.


Sorry I don't have 20 alts that I otto duped into triple completionist, I did it the old fashioned way of ya know playing the game, so I only worry about my main and helped others by passing loot. Too bad you can't read the part where I said from items people wouldn't take.

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Grand, your contempt for people here is starting to surge again. You already went through 200 socks and yet your hate still hasn't even abated. Dude, this is not healthy. I know you know that we know that you know, but it might be time to just chill. It was a little sick to make that many socks and talk to yourself. Though I am glad you let them go and are at least using your account now. It's a step towards improving your mental health. If you ever need to talk just pm me, again. 


I just think it's funny that you guys try to create the same mobo echo chamber with fancy curse words and get just as bent out of shape about stupid shit that makes you play the game as intended. Funnier still when someone pokes at one of these tards for being reactionary entitled whiny asses and they throw a bitch fit. "Oh no they took away our sploits! how are we supposed to function now stupid devs! they are ruining this game!" sounds really fuckin stupid, and honestly Rubb I don't know why you are defending any of it you seem to usually be the more reasonable asshole on the vault o.o
  
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Re: Rose Colored Goggles.... nerfed
Reply #30 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 4:31pm
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Starkjade wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 10:24am:
Yes, just like every other time it's pointed out to you that you're a waste of space, you "knew" it.  You were just trolling us.  Of course.



Hmm, you didn't appear to be one the people I was trolling. But hey, thanks for thinking of me.  Cool

I was also told this in a different drama thread:

Rubbinns wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 7:08pm:
Oh, come on! The game and forums have been dead. Let us have this


Just trying to help a brotha out.


Tspoon wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 12:18pm:
There is a difference between an intended change to a game mechanic or a new item (duality) that is later nerfed and then nerfed and then nerfed finally in a fucking ham-handed way and an unintended use of an item to circumvent an intended power progression.  While I accept your criticism, look in the fucking mirror. 



Yes, I get this. But this thread started as an I am angry about.... thread. Then it turned into an I am angry because you are angry about... thread. If that's not something to poke at while bored, then maybe I'm vaulting wrong.
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Reply #31 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 5:44pm
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I wasn't going for angry that they were angry, i was going for flippant eyerolling that people would be angry about something that doesn't make sense for them to get angry about. If I was walking too fine a line for you Slick I'll try harder to make it more clear next time.
  
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Reply #32 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 6:26pm
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Rubb I don't know why you are defending any of it you seem to usually be the more reasonable asshole on the vault o.o

I am not defending any of it. i was just instigating shit because I have nothing better to do.
  

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Reply #33 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 6:41pm
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angry about something that doesn't make sense for them to get angry about.

If it makes sense when you're angry then you're doing anger wrong tho?
  

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Reply #34 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 7:22pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 6:26pm:
I am not defending any of it. i was just instigating shit because I have nothing better to do.


Oh well my bad, carry on then good sir.

Revaulting wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 6:41pm:
If it makes sense when you're angry then you're doing anger wrong tho?


I didn't know anger had to have an irrational component.
  
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Reply #35 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:23pm
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Sorry I don't have 20 alts that I otto duped into triple completionist, I did it the old fashioned way of ya know playing the game, so I only worry about my main and helped others by passing loot. Too bad you can't read the part where I said from items people wouldn't take.

The effective range of an excuse is zero meters.  Now you just sound jealous. 

The "if they did something I couldn't do, clearly they must be cheating" is a desperate defense of a weak argument.

What's next?  The "Yeah, but but but I've got a life and can't play more two times a week!" lamesauce excuse?
  
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Reply #36 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:32pm
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Where did I say I couldn't do anything legit that your gimp ass had to cheat for Digi? XD I just said I didn't bother with it because I didn't want to waste the time on alts. For someone who can't read you sure come up with more than what's there and nothing of the actual content. I don't have to deconstruct my toons every month that they bother to fix a broken ability to do well at the game, so I can keep one toon around and focus on that. Sorry you need all the hacks, cheats, and mistakes to keep relevant.
  
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Reply #37 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:58pm
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Where did I say I couldn't do anything legit that your gimp ass had to cheat for Digi? XD I just said I didn't bother with it because I didn't want to waste the time on alts. For someone who can't read you sure come up with more than what's there and nothing of the actual content. I don't have to deconstruct my toons every month that they bother to fix a broken ability to do well at the game, so I can keep one toon around and focus on that. Sorry you need all the hacks, cheats, and mistakes to keep relevant.

Accuses someone of making stuff up and proceeds to make up everything he says about said person.  LOL.  You still sound jelly.

I didn't realize until Rubbinns pointed it out earlier in this thread who you were.  If he's right, I should stop making fun of you.  You're not stupid, you're just batshit crazy with serious issues and it's not kosher to make fun of that kind of crazy.
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Sure I'll believe that you, being on this site, haven't partaken of any other mistakes/exploits/unintended features what have you. How am I jealous? I have a great build that is basically nerf proof and I'm not sitting around whining about how they took away my toys.

You are right though it's not healthy to engage with someone who is impulsive and imbalanced, so I'm going to just laugh when you say something stupid instead of respond to it. Keep living in that world where you're king brotatochip, it must be nice to have an undeserved sense of accomplishment.
  
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Reply #39 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 11:54pm
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Sure I'll believe that you, being on this site, haven't partaken of any other mistakes/exploits/unintended features what have you. How am I jealous? I have a great build that is basically nerf proof and I'm not sitting around whining about how they took away my toys.

You are right though it's not healthy to engage with someone who is impulsive and imbalanced, so I'm going to just laugh when you say something stupid instead of respond to it. Keep living in that world where you're king brotatochip, it must be nice to have an undeserved sense of accomplishment.

Sign out and get some help, or at least take some meds.
  
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Reply #40 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 10:20pm
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Anger can rationalize pretty well, come to think of it.
  

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Reply #41 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 9:46am
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Rubbinns wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 6:26pm:
I am not defending any of it. i was just instigating shit because I have nothing better to do.


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Reply #42 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 4:52am
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I made a couple rose goggles to test and feed....got 10 sentient exp....lol 30 right.
  
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Reply #43 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 5:16am
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I made a couple rose goggles to test and feed....got 10 sentient exp....lol 30 right.

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Reply #44 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 5:38am
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I can vouch for this!  On Khyber we have all witnessed it, Gramh has absolutely optimized his build to be nerf-proof.  By making it absolutely useless at absolutely everything there is no possibility for a nerf to make his character any worse than it already is. Cheesy
  
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Chumpkin wrote on Mar 9th, 2019 at 5:38am:
I can vouch for this!  On Khyber we have all witnessed it, Gramh has absolutely optimized his build to be nerf-proof.  By making it absolutely useless at absolutely everything there is no possibility for a nerf to make his character any worse than it already is. Cheesy


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Reply #46 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 9:45am
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Chumpkin wrote on Mar 9th, 2019 at 5:38am:
I can vouch for this!  On Khyber we have all witnessed it, Gramh has absolutely optimized his build to be nerf-proof.  By making it absolutely useless at absolutely everything there is no possibility for a nerf to make his character any worse than it already is. Cheesy


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Reply #47 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 10:31am
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You might be ok new guy.


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Reply #48 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 5:13pm
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Chumpkin wrote on Mar 9th, 2019 at 5:38am:
By making it absolutely useless at absolutely everything there is no possibility for a nerf to make his character any worse than it already is.

I'm not sure he's having fun as intended, though. If gear & TRs won't improve the build, what reason does he have to grind for them?

I'm not judging, Gramh, but if you get banned for playing like this, you basically did it to yourself & have no right to complain.
  

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Reply #49 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 10:15pm
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I'll stop using my exploits to be the best marginally useful support bard over my cold dead body!

Also I ground out all my past lives except like, a handful of class and iconic lives that don't add anything to the build. They help definitely.
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