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Reply #50 - Feb 15th, 2019 at 6:41pm
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Bishop wrote on Feb 15th, 2019 at 2:19pm:
Why is it when anyone around here feels triggered or is cross that another poster disagrees with them they start throwing the term sock around like this? I don't get it, really its as confusing as heck,  is that you are a sock supposed to make you more important or reputable here or in some other site?  Does it mean you are duplicitous? committed? I mean what is it? up until now from what I read it seemed like sock was kind of a catch-all pejorative term that people busted out when they were angry, or trying to troll or I guess when they didn't have a comeback to someone else's point on a subject. But now you appear to be trying to use it as some kind of badge or bonafide.  Is this like the use of 'bad' to connote being good or really competent at something?  Beyond baffling this makes me feel old as well as confused.


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Mostly, you get called a sock when you suck up to another acct that is spouting crap.
  

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Toke wrote on Feb 15th, 2019 at 7:26pm:
Mostly, you get called a sock when you suck up to another acct that is spouting crap.


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I've been called worser things.
  

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Because this is the only board on the whole internet where the term sockpuppet both exists and has been shortened
  

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Snu Snu wrote on Feb 15th, 2019 at 10:18am:
Wow, you are totally hung up on this. If you got no other problems, congratulations. And you must be bored. Like really, really bored beyond believe.

Bezoz could sign it, and it wouldn't make a difference.




Technomage wrote on Feb 15th, 2019 at 12:10pm:
Who was Doctor Octothorpe with regards to LotRO?

Kylo covered it.


5 Foot Step wrote on Feb 15th, 2019 at 1:46pm:

Tranquil isn't me.  this is the sole ID i have ever used on these forums.  i thought it was implicit, but i will make it explicit...  i do not work for Turbine, SSG, or any company related to these entities, nor have i ever.  the closest to sharing information with someone on the inside boils down to my interactions with Alywen over at the tamer LOTRO version of DDO's Vault.

was nice when... i think it was yobai? consolidated the key info here in another thread.

i also do not pretend to work inside the bubble, which if i am honest...  Tranquil has an element of.  could just be in the reading, but i am not entirely convinced.  i think some of you may have granted full credentials prematurely.


Bishop wrote on Feb 15th, 2019 at 2:19pm:
Why is it when anyone around here feels triggered or is cross that another poster disagrees with them they start throwing the term sock around like this? I don't get it, really its as confusing as heck,  is that you are a sock supposed to make you more important or reputable here or in some other site?  Does it mean you are duplicitous? committed? I mean what is it? up until now from what I read it seemed like sock was kind of a catch-all pejorative term that people busted out when they were angry, or trying to troll or I guess when they didn't have a comeback to someone else's point on a subject. But now you appear to be trying to use it as some kind of badge or bonafide.  Is this like the use of 'bad' to connote being good or really competent at something?  Beyond baffling this makes me feel old as well as confused.

for a non-faggot, you do seem to expect a lot of hand-holding...  not a service i will provide, however.  get used to the confusion.  at least that part will be familiar.


hyplo wrote on Feb 15th, 2019 at 3:16pm:
In December three members of the LOTRO team were laidoff/fired/left by mutual agreement.   A world builder, the head of the Art Department as well as DocOctothorpe.

At least one world builder from LOTRO was reassigned to DDO last fall, Fantus.  Rumor mill suggests a second World Builder was also reassigned but I cannot confirm this.

interesting information...


hyplo wrote on Feb 15th, 2019 at 3:16pm:
The writing is all over the wall that LOTRO is not doing well, the Mordor Expansion (and subsequent updates) have not been, what's the term, well received by the player-base at large.   Add in the fact a new MMO based on the Tolkien license at Athlon is in the works (set prior to the LOTRO but still in Middle Earth).

Mordor indeed did not have near the drawing power of any previous expansion.  Helms Deep was the one that caused the HUGE loss with regard to players.

what is a real mystery, is how well Lotros "fire sale" did compared to DDO's, which we know sold 1000 units @ $299.99 USD (plus the opened it up again i heard... ?)  Lotros had no target, just a time window of availability.  Daybreak canned Octothorpe mid point of that.

LOTROS playerbase attrition has been very minor the past 3 years. what they actually spend however...  my anecdotal evidence is based off in-game players & there are some spenders.  just how big, i could not say.  it would be interesting to hear your source for numbers if you have one.

if it were not for all the public info so far about Amazon Prime developing products to compete with Netflix; i would say that Althion game is one huge troll...  there is sufficient evidence production of the series is in development for a pre-Lotro series that follows a Young Aragorn.

whether they attempt as much tits & ass as Game of Thrones, or go a more tame teen friendly route like a Shannara Chronicles...  i do not hold out much hope for either.

the MMO game from Althion?  so far not even concept art exists.  but if production is happening to launch in tandem with the series, i believe that target date is:
THE YEAR 2021...(hopefully)
while the current Lotro game could reduce servers and survive well past that date...  i do not have any confidence there is an actual plan too.  Wink

hyplo wrote on Feb 15th, 2019 at 3:16pm:
At the same time the number of people working on DDO has been increasing...

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Reply #56 - Feb 16th, 2019 at 10:20am
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Can I ask, what's your string, tack, and corkboard budget for this hobby?
  

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EVC wrote on Feb 16th, 2019 at 3:51am:
Tranquil isn't me.


Tranquil was Grand.

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Snu Snu wrote on Feb 13th, 2019 at 9:14pm:
Only developer I am mourning that did leave is MajorMalfunction.

ah the guy who was with DDO & posted here, then during the Infinite Crisis studio shuffles got moved to Lotro for several months & promptly shitcanned.

the last 3 big ones @Turbine:

-February 12, 2014:  initially thought this was a cull in response to Helms Deep tanking (it was) but it was also related to Infinite Cirisis.  Malj moved off DDO to Lotro here.

- October 15, 2014: this is when they canned Malj & was also when the first big chunk of the Infinite Crisis team got culled.  by this point it was obvious that title had failed to deliver.

- July 7 2016.  Warner commits Turbine to mobile games & culls the last of the fat that isn't basic existing operations & dedicated to new future.  this is when we lost Frelorn AKA Andy Catado.

Athena Peters briefly lead things until they closed Ashrons call at the end of 2016 & we inherited Severlin as SSG was formed and Warner kicked the can off to Daybreak.

all this post Infinite Crisis implosion got me thinking & i need to revisit this bit below...
hyplo wrote on Feb 15th, 2019 at 3:16pm:
In December three members of the LOTRO team were laidoff/fired/left by mutual agreement.   A world builder, the head of the Art Department as well as DocOctothorpe.

At least one world builder from LOTRO was reassigned to DDO last fall, Fantus.  Rumor mill suggests a second World Builder was also reassigned but I cannot confirm this.

the Lotro world building teams were all but completely culled during those first 2 employee purges.  Fantus did world build at Lotro, but he was pulled off to work for Infinite Crisis long before the first big purge in February 2014. After Infinite Cirisis imploded he did not come back to Lotro.

are you suggesting he was rehired for DDO?  cause i think the person feeding you the info may be giving you a snow-job.

i'll direct this to everyone to answer & i will put my full ignorance of DDO on display...  i thought DDO was instanced based with lobbies?  why would DDO hires require world builders to develop instances... & more lobbies?  some of the creations can be on the large side, but do you really think they need hires with the title, "World Builder?"

has a ring of "fake news."

but with regard to DDO, you would all know more.  i can only speak of Lotro & on that front relay there is a metric shit-ton of copypasta & resource asset reuse. & the stuff coming out the last 3 years has been in the game since FTP release (for Gondor) & the Bree revamp (for Dale/Erbor).  the actual need to create new assets on the world scale from someone dedicated to that position, hasn't existed at Lotro for a while now.

Starkjade wrote on Feb 16th, 2019 at 10:20am:
Can I ask, what's your string, tack, and corkboard budget for this hobby?

PAIZ IS A FUCKING RUSSIAN NAME MAN!!!


5 Foot Step wrote on Feb 16th, 2019 at 1:17pm:
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All Hail The SockMonster: Cannedhate, bill bowen, Billy the Id, davenot, Factor, Fire Foot, Flipton, Forest, Gawker, Grand, gravegod, Hag Master, Hags Ravenous Ego, Hammertop, jerry, mattyboy, Nagus, People Kill Guns, poker, RemRemi, Ryelog, samdam, Shellfish, Slitherrook, The Magnificent Fire Foot, Tranquil, Vernation, Whammy, yardarm, Yojimbo (plus a couple dozen more)

that is a lot of socks...
  
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EVC wrote on Feb 16th, 2019 at 11:37pm:
that is a lot of socks...

That doesn't even begin to do the guy justice. He is the best socker I have ever seen in my life. He was Russian bots before Russians were troll farming. His spiritual energy was such that even after he choned his accounts he could still return and post on them. He will go down in the annals of the Vault as a living meme.

EVC wrote on Feb 16th, 2019 at 11:37pm:
but with regard to DDO, you would all know more.  i can only speak of Lotro & on that front relay there is a metric shit-ton of copypasta & resource asset reuse. & the stuff coming out the last 3 years has been in the game since FTP release (for Gondor) & the Bree revamp (for Dale/Erbor).  the actual need to create new assets on the world scale from someone dedicated to that position, hasn't existed at Lotro for a while now.

I think there might have been some new textures for DDO when the Ravenloft expansion released last year. Though the past 4 years at DDO have all been copy pasted parts of other quests thrown into every new quest and raid. They even did the same with monsters ( such a ghetto company when you think about it ). Sev also gave an interview about Sharn expansion outside of a Denny's at 2 in the morning. Low budget doesn't even describe it. It's just pure ghetto.
  

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Denny's camera was shacky as fuck to.
I would have much preferred a sit-down YouTube video talk where he pulls up some concept art and talks about their goals.
  

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EVC wrote on Feb 16th, 2019 at 11:37pm:
PAIZ IS A FUCKING RUSSIAN NAME MAN!!!


So is Gregor!

I think I read somewhere that Sev is off in Florence with some chick named Wanda, but don't quote me on that, I am tired.  I am weary.
  

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EVC wrote on Feb 16th, 2019 at 11:37pm:
are you suggesting he was rehired for DDO?  cause i think the person feeding you the info may be giving you a snow-job.


Fantus (LOTRO) = FANTS (DDO)
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Rubbinns wrote on Feb 17th, 2019 at 2:43am:
That doesn't even begin to do the guy justice. He is the best socker I have ever seen in my life. He was Russian bots before Russians were troll farming. His spiritual energy was such that even after he choned his accounts he could still return and post on them. He will go down in the annals of the Vault as a living meme.

i see.  that sheds new light (info) on this thread:
http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1438759474/11
perhaps not so much granting full credentials as going along for the ride...   Wink

Rubbinns wrote on Feb 17th, 2019 at 2:43am:
I think there might have been some new textures for DDO when the Ravenloft expansion released last year. Though the past 4 years at DDO have all been copy pasted parts of other quests thrown into every new quest and raid. They even did the same with monsters ( such a ghetto company when you think about it ).

not that surprising really.

last area added to Lotro was Grey Mountains & Iron Hills.  copy pasta the Dwarven assets from Mines of Moria (11/18/08) change some color palettes & copy pasta resized Smaug bones everywhere.  & they gave the Dwarves abandoned or stolen weapons of the Easterlings (in game for years now.)  most of the new assets made by the artists are maybe 10% - 20%... rest is repurposed from previous older content.

in spite of all that they managed to do a good job of Laketown... *shrug*


Starkjade wrote on Feb 17th, 2019 at 10:08am:
I think I read somewhere that Sev is off in Florence with some chick named Wanda, but don't quote me on that

too late.  i quoted you.  for all it would matter, Severlin might as well be somewhere else.

BTW, does everyone here notice when they mention the producers letter, they avoid mentioning Severlin...  at all.

it is said the Devil is in the details, or missing details in this case.


hyplo wrote on Feb 17th, 2019 at 11:59pm:
Fantus (LOTRO) = FANTS (DDO)

Dan Oullette AKA: Fantus (Lotro) --->  IC_Fantus (Infinite Crisis until Nov. 2014) ---> (in between) ---> 3 other jobs Aug. 2015 - Feb. 2018. ---> rehired by SSG Feb 2018.

(DDO) FANTS wasn't pulled off Lotro.  but it does appear he has been working for SSG.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/dan-ouellette-380b483/

it also does seem they picked up a handful of employees back in first quarter 2018.  most were former Turbine who got the boot when Warner shuttered Turbines first mobile game, "Batman: Arkham Underworld" at the end of 2017

SSG Red Panda came from that...  https://twitter.com/OrangePeelPanda

if everything i have been looking at recently is up to date; Standing Stone games has at best 40 employees, but after December 2018 & the cuts Daybreak made i think it may be closer to the lower end of 20.

i have confirmed more than Octothorpe was let go anyway.

with regard to Severlin, no confirmation.  just seems 50/50 odds one way or the other.
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EVC wrote on Feb 18th, 2019 at 10:02am:
if everything i have been looking at recently is up to date; Standing Stone games has at best 40 employees, but after December 2018 & the cuts Daybreak made i think it may be closer to the lower end of 20.


So you think they cut their staff by almost 50% while preparing to release an expansion on one of the two games?   Interesting.   

I've seen posts on the DDO forums and DDO discord from no less than 14 different SSG employees who work on DDO over the past two weeks.   Cordovan, of course, is a shared resource with Lotro.  No idea how many on the Lotro side.  I don't pay attention to Lotro.  And, of course, there is that group of employees that never has a reason to post on the forums.   

I've got no idea what their head count was before or is now.

  
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Cordo said in one of his lifestreams not that long ago, maybe January, that SSG has around 100 employees.
I know he can tell somebody anything but I am inclined to believe him on this. I am pretty sure LotR gets more of the cut than DDO but still.
So you are basing this whole discussion on assumptions. Fruitless, imo.
  

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Asheras wrote on Feb 18th, 2019 at 12:00pm:
Cordovan, of course, is a shared resource with Lotro.

as of December 1 2018 the ones i know for certain that are shared across both:

* Matt "Senario" Elliot
* Heather "Zyrca" Cousineau
* Rob "Severlin" Ciccolini
* Jerry "Cordovan" Snook
* Johnny "Silorien" Wood
* Amanda "Tolero" Grow
* Barbara "Tybur" Thompson
* Jessica "OliveYew" Schwarz
* Johnny "SSG Red Panda" Liu

you also have 3 or 4 additional names that have posted @DDO O.F.  who i can't pin down to actual people.  nothing stopping them from posting to LOTRO under a different name.

we have one over @Lotro that used to go by "Deviled Egg"  but changed ID"s and is now:
* Erika "Friendly Hat" Ng

regardless, over the years, most of the current batch has worked on one or the other at some point in time.  & to a degree, i think that can still happen in crunches.

Snu Snu wrote on Feb 18th, 2019 at 12:23pm:
Cordo said in one of his livestreams not that long ago, maybe January, that SSG has around 100 employees.

if you can point me to which one and give a timestamp, that would be great.

i am inclined to think he misspoke.  or said something entirely convoluted and not indicative of 100 actual SSG employees.

Snu Snu wrote on Feb 18th, 2019 at 12:23pm:
I am pretty sure LotR gets more of the cut than DDO but still.

not really.

if i eliminate all the names i know are shared, the remaining who have posted to the Lotro dev tracker is about 6 names.  i actually think DDO beats that just slightly.

Asheras wrote on Feb 18th, 2019 at 12:00pm:
So you think they cut their staff by almost 50% while preparing to release an expansion on one of the two games?

i think that in the lead up time to your release date, we'll see slightly less activity over @Lotro for a bit.  that and they can temp hire some low wage grunts in the last sprint, no need to carry full time wages beyond that sort of thing.

when is the expansion due?

edited to add:

who is to say Cordovan didn't count himself twice because he works on both?
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if you can point me to which one and give a timestamp, that would be great.

i am inclined to think he misspoke.  or said something entirely convoluted and not indicative of 100 actual SSG employees.


He said "definitely less than 100 employees."

My understanding is that there are 20-50 people with a handful of other support mooks from daybreak. I could be wrong.
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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Feb 18th, 2019 at 3:32pm:
He said "definitely less than 100 employees."


Oh ok, I am not really sure. And I am not that interested to research. I get the creeps from his voice anyway. I don't even know why I write in this thread.
So I am out.
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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Feb 18th, 2019 at 3:32pm:
My understanding is that there are 20-50 people with a handful of other support mooks from daybreak.

yeah permanent full time Vs. temporary internships, or 3rd party support through vendors & or Daybreak support is a fuzzy number.

but since my last info dig, i was surprised at the new hires in the 1st quarter of 2018. with the exception of Red Panda, whose name i recognized from the Batman: Arkham Underworld forums, i sort of assumed they were just pushing more employees to post.

they likely did push past 40 full time permanent last year, but with the December cuts, pretty sure it is below that, for regulars anyway.
  
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Reply #72 - Feb 18th, 2019 at 5:15pm
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EVC wrote on Feb 18th, 2019 at 1:27pm:
i think that in the lead up time to your release date, we'll see slightly less activity over @Lotro for a bit.  that and they can temp hire some low wage grunts in the last sprint, no need to carry full time wages beyond that sort of thing.


You think they will fire people on staff who have knowledge of the game and systems to later hire temporary staff (who will have an acclimation process) rather than just keeping the current staff around for another 30-60 days before laying them off?

Temp staff has a hiring cost.  If we are talking technical temp staff, technical temp staff is never cheaper at a per hour rate than an FTE.   An FTE is more expensive only because of the long term commitment, benefits, and severance you pay on termination.   But if you already have them on staff, keeping them for another 2-3 months is way cheaper than firing them, paying severance now, and then paying to hire temps to fill the gap they just left for a short period of time.   Just keep them for that short period and pay the severance in 2-3 months.   

It doesn't make any sense to me, but I have no specific knowledge of SSG, the gaming industry, or Boston/Mass wage markets for tech.   Just general IT project management and software development experience with P&L responsibility.   It fails the sniff test to me.  A large scale layoff 3-4 months prior to an expansion release doesn't make any rational sense.
  
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Re: Severlin Siteings
Reply #73 - Feb 18th, 2019 at 6:30pm
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Asheras wrote on Feb 18th, 2019 at 5:15pm:
doesn't make any rational sense.

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So we still have no idea whether SSG would do it or not.
  

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Re: Severlin Siteings
Reply #74 - Feb 18th, 2019 at 6:42pm
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After reading the posts of them both, it seems likely that the original poster and 'Tranquil' 5 foot Step posted a link to are the same fellow trying the same game a few years apart for attention.

I hesitated to point this out for fear of being lampooned as a hypocrite after haranguing others for the reflex to call other socks, but after reading the posts 5 Foot Step linked the similarities quite obvious. So much so that it merited me risking a censure to point it out.   
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