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Theory Crafting 18Rogue mechanic inquisitor
Mar 6th, 2019 at 1:59pm
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This is just a theory craft build, figuring out how to maximize Crit profile with great crossbows as well as have decent auto-crowd control on the vorpal adjustments (not sure if it causes them helpless as I haven't gotten around to hop on LAM, but 5% on hit no save CC is pretty swell)


EDIT: Trading the 19-20 vorp to get endless fusillade action boost


Core mech:

Expert Builder: You gain a +1 Competence Bonus to Critical Multiplier with bows, crossbows & thrown weapons. Great Crossbows instead gain +2 Competence Bonus to Critical Multiplier. (18 rogue req)

T5 Mech:
Sniper: You gain 1 extra Sneak Attack die with bows, crossbows, and thrown weapons. Non-repeating crossbows increase this to 3 Sneak Attack dice and also gain +2[W]. Great Crossbows now vorpal on a 19-20.

Inquisitiver:

Master Inquisitive: +2 to all Ability Scores. +10 Ranged Power. While wielding a Light or Heavy (non-repeating) Crossbow, your Vorpal hits will knock down targets hit on a natural 20 + confirmation for 6 seconds without a saving throw, as a Great Crossbow. In addition, you gain +3 Damage dice with Law on your Side

Base great crossbow crit profile:  18-20/x2

With the competence bonuses: 17-20/x4

With keen:  14-20/x4

With Pulverizer "Works for Blunted Ammunition ranged weapons" : 13-20/x4

With Overwhelming critical and Devastating critical: 19-20/x6


Once im finished on deciding the last 2 levels I'll elaborate on the action point usage

I think you could argue going either Gnome (For the crossbow damage) or aasimar (For the layonhands)


But race only make a difference if you got action points from past lives since you need basically all 80 for your classes and sub-classes (Inquisitive and Harper)

So what do you guys recommend for the last 2 levels?




EDIT:

Action point spread:
Inquisitive: 41 (get T5 and cap)


Mechanic: 31 (Expert builder) (Youll get int to damage here)

Harper: 8 (Know the angles) (Youll get int to hit T1)

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Re: Theory Crafting 18Rogue mechanic inquisitor
Reply #1 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:28pm
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Grab t5 Inq and the capstone. Get mech core 18. Kta. You now have the single highest dps Volley build. nets 1 crit multi, infi sneak dice, and 35% rp over the 10/6/4
  

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Re: Theory Crafting 18Rogue mechanic inquisitor
Reply #2 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:46pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:28pm:
Grab t5 Inq and the capstone. Get mech core 18. Kta. You now have the single highest dps Volley build. nets 1 crit multi, infi sneak dice, and 35% rp over the 10/6/4


Yeah this path makes sense to get max dps, guess only take t5 mech if you got severe survivability problems. (just for the vorpal knockdown on a 19)

Do you got any recommendations for the last 2 levels tho?  I was thinking pally just to get more saves, or pure for 1 more feat and sneak attack dice :3 (or fighter for 2 feats and base kensai)
  

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Re: Theory Crafting 18Rogue mechanic inquisitor
Reply #3 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:01pm
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Aren't all of the Inq enhancements for light/heavy xbows while all the goods in Mech are for great xbows?

I'm pretty sure the upper tier DPS Inqs will be mainly rogue but there's no point in going past tier 4/4th core in Mech. 41 in Inq, 27 in Mech, leftovers in Harper and whatever in racials if there's something to be had (15 ranged power in warforged tree), or whatever.
  
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Re: Theory Crafting 18Rogue mechanic inquisitor
Reply #4 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:37pm
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pinkpuff wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:01pm:
Aren't all of the Inq enhancements for light/heavy xbows while all the goods in Mech are for great xbows?


The Sharpshooter enhancements from Mech give +1 damage +1d6 SA per tier over what it gives repeaters/great crossbows.

froggy wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 1:59pm:
So what do you guys recommend for the last 2 levels?


I'm going with Artificer as bonus feats (Rapid Reload, Magical Training, Runearm use for the Imbue) and a spare item slot (Runearm) are always a good deal.

I'm seeing some 1 Barbarian (for Furious Rage) and 1 FvS (for ???) on the YouTube.

19 Rogue + 1 Ranger can net you 2 more SA dice.  (1 from the rogue level, 1 from the first core of Deepwood Sniper.)

Rubbinns wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:28pm:
Grab t5 Inq and the capstone. Get mech core 18. Kta. You now have the single highest dps Volley build. nets 1 crit multi, infi sneak dice, and 35% rp over the 10/6/4


I'm seeing a lot of "your Light or Heavy (non-repeating) crossbow" in the descriptions of the Inquisitive enhancements.  I realize this is SSG, but the Lammaland build is unfinished, so it may not be a good idea to pin hopes on all this stuff working with great crossbows.
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Re: Theory Crafting 18Rogue mechanic inquisitor
Reply #5 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 4:30pm
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pinkpuff wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:01pm:
Aren't all of the Inq enhancements for light/heavy xbows while all the goods in Mech are for great xbows?

Yes, but in terms of Volley on a 10/6/4 to Volley on a 18/x , the Inquisitive tree is max DPS. It comes down to a chunk of around 14~ raw damage on the 10/6/4 builds VS 35rp, 1 crit multiplier, and 7 sneak dice on the 18/x Inquisitive.

I still would choose 10/6/4 because the extra 6 or so fuse charges.

The law dice, and crit threat/multi in the IQ tree does not work on Volley. The raw damage bonuses shouldn't either.

  

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Re: Theory Crafting 18Rogue mechanic inquisitor
Reply #6 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 5:48pm
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I'd go Gnome over Aasimar for IPS reasons. 

QuantumFX wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:37pm:
I'm seeing some 1 Barbarian (for Furious Rage)

1 Barb also nets you 10% run speed without spending 3 AP in Thief Acrobat for Fast Movement.  AP looks tight enough for it to matter:

41 Inquisitive
27 Mech
8 Harper for KtA
1 Furious Rage
3 TA Fast Movement

If you can live with 10% run speed instead of 18% for an 18/x build, put the 3 in Harper for +1 INT and +2 hit/dmg from the cores.
  
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Re: Theory Crafting 18Rogue mechanic inquisitor
Reply #7 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 5:52pm
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Carpone wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 5:48pm:
1 Furious Rage

I tested it on lama for morninglord heavy crossbow and Volley. Does not work.
  

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Re: Theory Crafting 18Rogue mechanic inquisitor
Reply #8 - Mar 7th, 2019 at 1:45pm
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Carpone wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 5:48pm:
I'd go Gnome over Aasimar for IPS reasons.


Id have to disagree if you got racial points to spend, Ive never had problems getting IPS to work properly due to height difference, gonna go look up an article to double check if it actually makes a difference.


Carpone wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 5:48pm:
1 Barb also nets you 10% run speed without spending 3 AP in Thief Acrobat for Fast Movement.  AP looks tight enough for it to matter:

41 Inquisitive
27 Mech
8 Harper for KtA
1 Furious Rage
3 TA Fast Movement


You actually need 31 in the mech tree to benefit the 1 additional multiplier.  (Even tho you get 2 sources of critical multipliers, the highest one takes effect so you'll want to trade the 3 action points for 1 multiplier)




From the WiKi
"Race height matters. Tall races, such as Bladeforged, shoot their projectiles from a higher elevation. When targeting smaller enemies, projectile travels downwards and often harmlessly flies above the head of nearby enemies. Targeting is easier for smaller races, particularly Halflings."


Welp, nevermind lol.  Im just gonna hate to lose all of the self heals from aasimar, guess if you rae running reaper 10s, its not like youll have any self heals anyways :3  (even tho its better for your group)
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Reply #9 - Mar 7th, 2019 at 2:07pm
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I'm still in the category of "bang, fuck, I'm dead" when hit in r10.  If you've got enough RAP to consider Aasimar goodies, you're in a different league.  I get the attraction though.  You can pry the healing hands on my tempest from my cold dead fingers.
  
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Reply #10 - Mar 7th, 2019 at 3:53pm
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Good stuff in here.. I have nothing to add .. only range I have is my crafter...
  

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Rubbinns wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 4:30pm:
I still would choose 10/6/4 because the extra 6 or so fuse charges.

So compared to the 18/x you end up mostly abandoning Mechanic?

7 Kensei for +3 action boosts
11 Battle Engineer for +3 action boosts
41 Inquisitive for No Mercy, Inquisitor's Path, Capstone.
8 harper for KtA
11 Mechanic for core 3

That leaves 2 AP unalloacted. 

Edits: RIF and math.
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Carpone wrote on Mar 9th, 2019 at 12:03am:
So compared to the 18/x you end up mostly abandoning Mechanic?

7 Kensei for +3 action boosts
11 Battle Engineer for +3 action boosts
41 Inquisitive for No Mercy, Inquisitor's Path, Capstone.
8 harper for KtA
11 Mechanic for core 3

That leaves 2 AP unalloacted. 

Edits: RIF and math.


10/6/4 for Volley is more like

36 Mech
27 BE
11 kensei
6 harper

Dropping some doubleshot ap for longer kta duration. Sniper's 2W, 3 sneak dice beat out 4% doubleshot. And 19-20 vorpal knockdown against trash.
  

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QuantumFX wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:37pm:
it may not be a good idea to pin hopes on all this stuff working with great crossbows.


As far as I can tell from the SSG statements, the only thing that is up in the air is doubleshot.

I guess anything can change though, and leave it to ssg to f things up.
  

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Reply #14 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 1:30am
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Got it.  I conflated some comments earlier about Inquisitive/Volley.

The 18/x Inquisitive direction feels a bit wanting with only 9 boosts/rest (5 + 1 guild + 3 ED).  Hoping for itemization with +boosts in Sharn is probably fruitless.  Perhaps there will be a compelling reason to break Adherent set so you can use Legendary Precision Lenses for +3 boosts.  Cue Benny Hill music as gear tetris ensues.

You could go 18 Rogue/2 Arti or 18 Rogue/1 Fighter/1 X for +3 boosts, but you'd have to cannibalize Mechanic T4 goodies for it.  Bleh. I hate to give up Leg Shot.
  
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Reply #15 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 1:38pm
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They made this build for me to get me off warlock...all I played last forever been Warlock n Artis
Then again   , probably one of the few completionists that go out of her way to break 300 boxes with shiranti's hand cannon.   closed eyes then never awoke again.




are u sure that you will need 2 arti....why would u need runearm if you have two mini crosses instead.
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QuantumFX wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:37pm:
The Sharpshooter enhancements from Mech give +1 damage +1d6 SA per tier over what it gives repeaters/great crossbows.


I'm going with Artificer as bonus feats (Rapid Reload, Magical Training, Runearm use for the Imbue) and a spare item slot (Runearm) are always a good deal.

I'm seeing some 1 Barbarian (for Furious Rage) and 1 FvS (for ???) on the YouTube.

19 Rogue + 1 Ranger can net you 2 more SA dice.  (1 from the rogue level, 1 from the first core of Deepwood Sniper.)


I'm seeing a lot of "your Light or Heavy (non-repeating) crossbow" in the descriptions of the Inquisitive enhancements.  I realize this is SSG, but the Lammaland build is unfinished, so it may not be a good idea to pin hopes on all this stuff working with great crossbows.



Curious Inquisitives can transform any light or heavy crossbow into a pair of hand crossbows and excel at both shooting first, and asking questions.

…  Wink btw......it reads Smiley     not bad 1ap get a couple ac n x2 weapon attack from fvs.
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Reply #17 - Jun 17th, 2019 at 5:56am
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Rubbinns wrote on Mar 9th, 2019 at 12:58am:
10/6/4 for Volley is more like

36 Mech
27 BE
11 kensei
6 harper

Dropping some doubleshot ap for longer kta duration. Sniper's 2W, 3 sneak dice beat out 4% doubleshot. And 19-20 vorpal knockdown against trash.


This build is still insane but why don't you pick up the hp stance from stalwart for 13 ap ? You only need to wear medium armor and then have like 300-400 more hp from the stance.

It really is a shame not to take it...

I would do something like this

34 Mech (Sniper+reloader)
22 BE (fussilade)
11 kensei (multiplier +1)
13 SD (greater stance +20% hp)

you will ditch kta from harper but you won't be  glass cannon anymore  Smiley
  
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Reply #18 - Jun 17th, 2019 at 10:10am
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I think you would lose too much DPS by going Medium armor as it would lock you out of Silent Avenger or Wallwatch sets as well as KTA/doubleshot from AP. It also means you lose evasion which may not be a big deal in the current raid meta but it is a consideration for other content.
  
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yardarm_ wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 5:56am:
This build is still insane but why don't you pick up the hp stance from stalwart for 13 ap ? You only need to wear medium armor and then have like 300-400 more hp from the stance.

It really is a shame not to take it...

I would do something like this

34 Mech (Sniper+reloader)
22 BE (fussilade)
11 kensei (multiplier +1)
13 SD (greater stance +20% hp)

you will ditch kta from harper but you won't be  glass cannon anymore  Smiley

Is this a troll post?
  
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Digimonk wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 3:26pm:
Is this a troll post?


forgot about silent avenger  Angry
  
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yardarm_ wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 9:12pm:
forgot about silent avenger  Angry

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