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I may actually play the game again

Rubbinns wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2019 at 2:46pm:


Draconic Incarnation was already may favorite tree (thematically) and now it is actually usable. I'm definitely gonna do a few PLs with it for lolz.

Cliff notes for those of us at work who can't get on MOBOs?

Good changes to divine crusader imo, fixing the missing melee power that wasnt working before, fixes to castigation making things scale better.

Shiradi on range is going to be interesting, another crit multiplier, abilities scaling with ranged power and a 30 second cool down adrenaline shot like ability, 20% fortification debuff

magister is dc king 6 dc in cores, 3 more school dc higher up tree

shadowdancer got some loving

LD helpless dmg nerf by 35%

Grandmaster buffs, dance of flowers lowered to 1(w) but doesnt require centering (hello everyone twisting this) dance of flame doesnt require sun stance

Bard tree becomes amazing, stupid good for bards

Unyielding becomes hate tree of hateness

Fury 2h weapon bonuses up the wazoo,  including 25 melee power when using a 2hf vs 10 for everyone else

Primal avatar , meh some stuff


edit- tanks should love these changes

NEW: T4: Draw them Out: Melee Attack: +3[w]. This attack adds 300 Hate for the user to creatures it hits on top of its normal damage. 6 second cooldown. (1 Rank, 1AP)

NEW: T6: Celestial Mandate: Melee Attack: +5[w]. This attack adds 2000 Hate for the user to creatures it hits on top of its normal damage. 6 second cooldown. (1 Rank, 1AP)

Hello! This is an early look at the Epic Destiny Pass currently slated for Update 43. (The second Sharn raid is coming before this, so there's still a bit of time before this reaches Lamannia). A few notes about this pass, before we get to details:

We had a few primary goals in the Epic Destiny pass, compounded by a very slim time-frame of 3 weeks for principal changes.
First and foremost, try to put each Destiny in a place where it's worth using for at least some builds.
Fix bugs and remove things that hinder fun or usability
You'll notice that every Epic Moment that required you to do weird things to charge it up no longer requires that.

Improve the ability for people to play in Destinies that match their Archetype (ranged characters in Shiradi, etc) without significantly hindering the current ability for people to play in Destinies that don't (casters in Shiradi, etc)


Like we said above, the timeframe was slim. We didn't hit everything we would have liked to, and there are still abilities within individual Destinies that still probably aren't worth taking. We're listening for feedback here, but our ability to act on it is similarly time-restricted; we're unlikely to further revamp whole trees or add completely new skills at this time, but we may be able to make number tweaks and fix outstanding bugs.

That said, this is the thread for Arcane Sphere Destinies, so let's dive in. Be sure to check out the other Sphere threads when you're done, as well as the topic on new Epic Past Lives coming with these changes.

Magister
This tree has quite a few neat things but didn't do the one thing it was supposed to do: Be the king of DC Casting. Twisting Magister's bonuses and going into other trees where you got relevant Ability Score increases provided a better bonus than this tree. Only that's not fun, and we'd rather see dedicated DC casters live here and get cool abilities with their DCs. We focused on that goal, and made a few of their other abilities spicier to go with it. The Sigils still aren't good; they fell a bit low on the priority list relative to other things. If there are simple number tweaks we can make to make them more worth using, we're all ears.

Added +1 to all Spell DCs to each Core (in addition to what those cores were doing already).
Imperceptible Casting adds +10 Universal Spell Power while active.
Fade into the Weave adds +25 Universal Spell Power while active.
Variable Resistance is unlinked from Sigil of Energy Negation.
Master of (Spell School) also increases DCs for that school by an additional 1/2/3.
Arcane Tempest moves to a 30-second cooldown, and a 10-second duration. 30 SP.
Arcane Tempest is no longer linked to Sigil of Battering Spellcraft
Arcane Tempest now costs 1AP
Arcane Tempest can now use the Quicken, Maximize, Empower, and Intensify Metamagics
Arcane Tempest now has a faster cast animation and cast time
Arcane Tempest no longer has a (previously-unlisted) saving throw
Arcane Adept now costs 1AP
Removed the Saving Throw from Arcane Tempest. (Yeah, it's a DC tree but we wanted it to be good no matter what school you were in.)
Arcane Spellsurge now has a 1 minute cooldown. 20 SP
Nullmagic Aura no longer requires charging. Now has a 4 minute cooldown.


Draconic Incarnation
This is another tree that has good things but is hampered by its restrictiveness. It's meant to be the king of elemental nuking, but the lack of metas and scaling DCs made that hard. It also didn't get that much extra spell damage relative to other Destinies, which was... weird. We fixed a lot of that.

Each Core now adds 5% Spell Crit Damage in addition to what it already does.
Go Out With A Bang, Energy Burst, and Energy Vortex now apply the Quicken, Empower, Maximize, Embolden, and Intensify Metamagics
Acid versions of these spells are now Conjuration spells
These spells should now be considered part of their Elements for the purpose of Caster Level increases (other than Savant's caster level increases, which were already working).

Go Out with A Bang, Energy Burst, and Energy Vortex now use their spell schools' (Evocation/Conjuration) bonuses as part of their DC calculation.
Flyby Attack now adds Evocation modifiers to its DC (Conjuration for the Acid version).
Dragon Breath no longer uses Charges.
Dragon Breath now has a 25 second cooldown.
Dragon Breath spells are now considered part of their spell school for the purpose of Caster Level/Max Caster Level increases.
Breath attacks now list Evocation/Conjuration as part of their DC calculation (they were already using it)

Black Dragon Breath is now a Conjuration spell.
(See below for related Dragonborn changes)

Draconic Fury's cooldown reduced to 1 minute
Draconic Hunger's Temp HP and SP are now 10x your Epic level.
Fearsome Invulnerability no longer needs to be charged.
It no longer says it does an Intimidate effect, on account of that functionality never being implemented ever.
It now also adds +30 PRR, MRR, and MRR Cap for the duration
It now has a 4 minute cooldown.

Energy Vortex, Draconic Hunger, and Fearsome Invulnerability now cost 1AP each.



BONUS: Dragonborn Racial Tree Changes
Dragonborn's dragon breath SLAs have always kept some parity with Draconic Incarnation, so we made some changes there to gel with the above Draconic Incarnation changes.

Dragonborn's Racial Black Dragon Breath is also now a Conjuration spell
Dragonborn Breath Attacks now scale with 100% Spell Power (which puts them on the standard spell damage progression we made after this skill)
Dragonborn's True Power enhancement now adds Conjuration DCs in addition to its Evocation DCs.


Fatesinger
What a weird tree. Fatesinger had a lot of fundamental issues that could only be solved by getting rid of the abilities entirely. We basically threw a lot of it out and Lynnabel built a new one. Here it is. (Note that we're listing the full tree here rather than individual changes, it's clearer that way.) General rule of thumb: The Hymns cost 2AP, as do the standard Ability Score increases. The rest cost 1AP per rank.

[Picture that I'm not cutting and pasting]

Cores:

Core 1: Fatesinger's Rep: Each core grants you +10 Melee Power, +4 Ranged Power, +25 Spell Points, 10 universal spell power, +1 Arcane Caster Level, +2 Effective Bard Levels and +2 Maximum Bard Songs. You also gain Inspire Courage if you didn't have it before.
Core 2: Glitter of Fame: +1 All Stats and all saves
Core 3: Harmonic Resonance: Attacks have a chance of building up Resonance on your enemies, increasing their Sonic vulnerability and reducing their Armor Class by 2 per stack (max 10)
Core 4: Intoxicating Presence: Enemies that strike you have a chance to be Fascinated.
Core 5: Grandeur: Friendly spellcasts bestow bonus AC (+3) and PRR (+3), offensive spellcasts now build up Harmonic Resonance (internal cooldown)
Core 6: Majesty: You are now immune to Charisma Damage, do not suffer from Arcane Spell Failure, also +25 Universal Spell Power


Tier 1:

First Harmonic Chord: Your inspire courage has +1/2/3 hit, dam, saves vs fear, and +3/6/9 Universal spell power. Also, you gain an additional +1/2/3 to Hit, Damage, and +3/6/9 Universal Spell Power
Siren's Song: Relocated, turns into a second Fascinate button (aka another cooldown version of Enthrall)
Music of the Spider Queen: also now adds Neutralize Poison to your Bardic Inspiration
Dirge: Make it actually work and be good, otherwise no change
+1 Str/Cha


Tier 2:

Second Harmonic Chord: Your inspire competence has an additional +1/2/3 skills. Also, you gain +1/2/3 all skills.
Bound Fate: relocated, no change (this is the active)
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Reign: relocated, no change
+1 Str/Cha


Tier 3:

Third Harmonic Chord: Your inspire greatness has an additional +1/2/3 PRR and 0/0/10 Healing/Neg/Repair amp. Also, you gain an additional +0/0/10 healing/neg/repair amp and +1/2/3 PRR
Grim Fate: relocated, no change (this is the passive that makes the active better)
Arcane Hymn: You sing a magical Hymn that resonates within the Arcane Sphere. When you activate this ability, your target is surrounded by magical energies, bestowing Resonance. (HYMNS: Each member of your party, including yourself, may only benefit from one Hymn at a time, regardless of source. Attempting to activate this ability on someone else will dispel this Hymn from your former target. If you attempt to activate a different Hymn on someone who is already benefiting from this Hymn, it will dispel this Hymn as it applies the new one. You may activate this ability on yourself.)
Arcane: +1 INT WIS CHA, +20 Universal SP, +2 Spell Penetration, +4 UMD, +10% fire/cold/acid/electric absorb

Aria: relocated, no change
+1 Str/Cha


Tier 4:

Fourth Harmonic Chord: Your Inspire Heroics grants +1/2/3 AC, dodge, and saves. Also, you gain an additional +1/2/3 AC and saves
Martial Hymn:
Martial: +1 STR DEX WIS, +2 Sneak Dice, +20 max HP, +10 PRR and MRR, +5 AC, +10 Melee and Ranged Power

Divine Hymn: Another hymn, this time divine sphere themed
Divine: +1 STR CHA WIS, +1 Smite Evil, +2 to hit, dam, confirm critical hits, +10 PRR and +25 Positive and Negative Spell Power.

Primal Hymn: Another hymn, this time primal sphere themed
Primal: +1 WIS DEX CON, +25 HP, +10 Spell Resistance and healing amp, +10% Thrown and Bow attack speed, +3 Str while raging

+1 Str/Cha



Tier 5:

The Fifth Chord: You have a new Bard Song in your Bardic Ballad/Inspire Courage - Inspire Transcendence - +1 spell DCs, +1 tactics bonuses, +3 Spell Resistance and True Seeing. Also, you benefit from +1 DCs, tactics, +3 SR and are immune to blindness and have true seeing
Free Metamagic: Pick between Eschew, Extend, or Enlarge
Masquerade: Also now has 10% spell cost reduction
Bladesong: 2d6 Sonic damage on hit scaling with spell power, 3% competence to melee attack speed, also +1 Critical Multiplier on 19-20
+1 Str/Cha


Tier 6:

Greater Shout SLA: 6 second cooldown.
Free Metamagic 2: Pick between Quicken, Embolden, or Intensify
Turn of the Tide: Clean up what it actually gives you, make sure it's actually working as intended
+1 Str/Cha
Last edited by Steelstar; 06-03-2019 at 02:06 PM. Reason: forgot the Greater Shout SLA

Hello! This is an early look at the Epic Destiny Pass currently slated for Update 43. (The second Sharn raid is coming before this, so there's still a bit of time before this reaches Lamannia). A few notes about this pass, before we get to details:

We had a few primary goals in the Epic Destiny pass, compounded by a very slim time-frame of 3 weeks for principal changes.
First and foremost, try to put each Destiny in a place where it's worth using for at least some builds.
Fix bugs and remove things that hinder fun or usability
You'll notice that every Epic Moment that required you to do weird things to charge it up no longer requires that.

Improve the ability for people to play in Destinies that match their Archetype (ranged characters in Shiradi, etc) without significantly hindering the current ability for people to play in Destinies that don't (casters in Shiradi, etc)


Like we said above, the timeframe was slim. We didn't hit everything we would have liked to, and there are still abilities within individual Destinies that still probably aren't worth taking. We're listening for feedback here, but our ability to act on it is similarly time-restricted; we're unlikely to further revamp whole trees or add completely new skills at this time, but we may be able to make number tweaks and fix outstanding bugs.

That said, this is the thread for Primal Sphere Destinies, so let's dive in. Be sure to check out the other Sphere threads when you're done, as well as the topic on new Epic Past Lives coming with these changes.

Fury of the Wild
This is a Pretty Good destiny in its current state, but not enough Melees found reason to stick with this one vs. Dreadnought. We'd especially like Two Handed Fighters to hang out here, so we added some spice for them. Please note that "Two Handed Fighting Style" does not include Natural Weapon Style (aka Wolves, Bears, Trees).

Cores each add an additional +2 Damage with Two-Handed Weapons (along with what they currently do)
Fury made Placid is reduced to a 2% chance on no save. Healing scales with Melee Power. Gain +10% Doublestrike and +20 PRR and MRR while in this state.
Unbridled Fury no longer requires charging. (Keeps its 5 minute cooldown).
You can now use Unbridled Fury while under Antimagic.
NEW: T1: (Multiselector with Boulder Toss): Boulder's Might: Requires being in Two-Handed Fighting style to use (i.e. no Natural Fighting). 5[w] attack, 6 second cooldown. Rank 2 and 3 add +1 and +2 Critical Multiplier on that attack. (3 Ranks, 1AP Each)
NEW: T5: Devastating Blow (+1 Critical Multiplier on 19-20 with Melee weapons) (1 Rank, 2AP)
NEW: T5: Strong Swings: +10 Melee Power. While fighting in Two Handed Fighting style, this is instead +25. (1 Rank, 2AP)


Primal Avatar
This is another Fairly Weird tree. There's things we didn't hit that I'd still like to (the complex spell that is Tsunami, in particular) but the primary thing we tried to do was to make it more accessible and less frustrating by eliminating the Spirit Charge mechanic. Before, it was very difficult to perform well in this tree if you couldn't min-max Spirit regeneration; that should no longer be a concern. Tree Form still isn't amazing, but that's unfortunately something that'll need to get addressed another time. (At the very least, you should get to use it more reliably and longer in most cases).
Spirit Charges no longer exist in this tree.
Strength of Spirit is now a Passive granting +20 Universal Spell Power. (The tree still grants +10 Melee and +4 Ranged Power per core).
Primal Travel no longer costs Spirit, and now has a 90 second cooldown.
Mighty Among Spirits no longer reduces Spirit Decay (as Spirit no longer exists), and instead grants +15 MRR (in addition to the +20 HP it currently gives).
Eternal Return no longer costs Spirit.
Walk With Spirits is no longer a toggle. On activation, you gain its effects for 30 seconds. It now has a 4 minute cooldown.
Spirit Boon (both versions) no longer requires Spirit.
Avatar of Nature no longer requires Spirit. Each of its Sizes now lasts for 6 seconds, except for the largest, which lasts for 12 and then shuts off the Form. It now has a 5 minute cooldown.
Summer Smoke, Supple as Spring, and Chill of Winter are now applied more efficiently, should cause fewer performance issues, and should no longer get stuck on players - Like Bard Auras, the effects are re-applied every few seconds and expire after some time. These now only apply to party members (sorry, this was important for performance reasons).


Shiradi Champion
This tree is alright for casters and not great for ranged characters in its current state. A lot of the Bow users are pulled over by Fury right now, so we gave it a bit of that power to make Shiradi a more viable choice for them. We don't want to take Fury away from bow-users entirely (or Shiradi away from casters), just to make Shiradi a viable choice for ranged weapon characters.
The first five cores (replacing their existing attack/damage bonuses) add +1 to hit and damage with ranged weapons.
Favorable Winds and Fey Power scale with 200% Ranged Power.
Stay Frosty's cold damage scales with 200% ranged power.
Stay Frosty now passively provides its +3/+6 Spot and Listen
Stay Good's light damage scales with 200% ranged power.
Rainbow's random damage scales with 200% ranged power.
Added clarifying language to Double Rainbow to indicate that its effects may scale with Melee, Ranged, or Spell Power depending on the origin of effects it finds.
Whirling Wrists also grants +2/4/6% Doubleshot.
Wild Shots scales with 200% Ranged Power.
Rain of Arrows no longer requires charging.
Rain of Arrows now has a 3-minute cooldown.
Rain of Arrows' damage scales with 200% Ranged Power.
Rain of Arrows now costs 1AP.
Rain of Arrows' tooltip now properly reflects its 20% of application per second (previously read 10%).
Tea With the Queen now costs 1AP.
Track also debuffs fortification by 2% per stack
Stand & Deliver now alson grants +1mult on 19-20 with Ranged weapons
In The Weeds adds +3 PRR and +3 MRR per stack.
NEW: Horizon Shot (T6): Your next shot with a Ranged or Thrown weapon has +400% damage and +16 to its Critical Threat Range. 30 second cooldown. (1 Rank, 1AP)

Ty for the copy paste! Much appreciated!

Fuck they nerfed combat brute hard. Why does Turdbine hate my fighter?
I DO like that you don't have to have PA active for lay waste and M Swing anymore. Plus hte trip DC to lay waste is nice.

I like the changes for the pew pews in Shiradi. Sure woul dhave been nice if they would have added some fire rate increases for bow users there though also.

Some of the changes to Fatesinger are good.

Little more power creep with more past lives to stack. Gotta sell those new destiny potions somehow I guess!

Adding more epic past lives ensures brisk sales of the destiny pots... when this is released I wonder what percentage of the total store sales will be made up from these pots in the first month or so?

Shinyshoes wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2019 at 6:18pm:


They did say that.

Still, stacking bonuses for each one. Another 9 mrr, 9 prr, + whatever ac, hp, etc etc.

People will grind it.

The cynic in me says they saw "data" that the heroic racial tr grind sales were slowing down and had to introduce some more tr grind.

Tspoon wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2019 at 5:47pm:

I have no resentment for a marketing strategy that involves adding actual value for the money they hope to gain. Now, are new ED PLs really actual value? Kinda yeah. Not like superawesomefuckyeah, no. But kinda yeah.

1. No, power creep is not the best thing.
2. Selling ways to skip playing was never the most well-thought-out strategy.
3. Adding more grind to the already insane amount of grind probably feels like a thumbs-up to them, because it makes #2 seem like it makes sense. It is in fact, just ratcheting up the grind to be a little bit more intensely insane.

The introduction of these new ED PLs is not where those stupid ideas originated. The stupid ideas do tarnish the value, no doubt. Just saying, they also introduce more options, for slightly more customization (once the not-so-customizable, opposite-of-fun slog is over).

You get some genuine shine on these turds when you put in the time to polish them, is what I'm saying. It's not just more of the same old shit. This shit, you can see your reflection in.

Shinyshoes wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2019 at 6:18pm:

There are no new epic destinies.  There is no "forth destiny" per sphere.

Carpone wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2019 at 9:15pm:


The issue with SD, and Assassinate in general is that you have to delete your DPS to get anything above 100+ DC. If you're going for 120+ DC for sharn you're going to be basically worthless on bossfights. They could have added +10 Assassinate DC into SD. I'd probably still not switch over. Let the DC casters with their +130 DCs (or whatever the current max +7 is) IK everything.