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ZooperDooper Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1200 Joined: Oct 27^th, 2014	Re: Did SSG just hard crash? Reply #25 - Jul 16^th, 2020 at 11:34pm	Print Post
	"Um.. I wonder what happens if I pull on THIS one...." ManyCookies wrote on Jul 16^th, 2020 at 11:25pm: Its very strange that they keep having data center issues. What kind of shitty data center is this?


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ManyCookies Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 360 Joined: Nov 16^th, 2018	Re: Did SSG just hard crash? Reply #26 - Jul 16^th, 2020 at 11:38pm	Print Post
	Honestly i wonder if there is some way to figure out which data center they are using from the IP address of the servers or something. Maybe its a data center famous for being shitty...


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 8873 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Did SSG just hard crash? Reply #27 - Jul 16^th, 2020 at 11:39pm	Print Post
	ManyCookies wrote on Jul 16^th, 2020 at 11:25pm: I thought they moved data center a year or two ago to what is (presumably) a better one? No, they moved from a "Better one" to a cheaper one. That's actually when things took a sharp turn down shit-creek. The year or two ago migration was from running the server on metal to virtualized, with very little thought or effort put into doing that right. They also moved to one that was a whole lot cheaper(I doubt SSG even owns the VM host, probably paying a 3rd party to do it all at a colocation they have no access to or control over) Every MMO has it's rough patches. I recall the early days of WoW the kind of forum-angst you'd see when the game had to take a few days of scheduled down-time. It was funny. Even now people seem to think they're $15/month entitles them to nine 9s of uptime. Honestly, I don't fault SSG for the occasional outage. I just ask they make it up to me with a few digital goodies that cost them absolutely nothing.

	I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Poetry! Posts: 605 Location: Section ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha Joined: Jun 21^st, 2020	Re: Did SSG just hard crash? Reply #28 - Jul 16^th, 2020 at 11:39pm	Print Post
	ManyCookies wrote on Jul 16^th, 2020 at 11:25pm: Its very strange that they keep having data center issues. What kind of shitty data center is this? I thought they moved data center a year or two ago to what is (presumably) a better one? I honestly cannot think of any online game that keeps having data center issues like this. Can anyone? There is no way any other game company would be fine with data center issues like this. They've played "Pass the Turd" for so long when it comes the blame game, it's amazing they haven't contracted cholera yet.


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 8873 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Did SSG just hard crash? Reply #29 - Jul 16^th, 2020 at 11:41pm	Print Post
	ManyCookies wrote on Jul 16^th, 2020 at 11:38pm: Honestly i wonder if there is some way to figure out which data center they are using from the IP address of the servers or something. Maybe its a data center famous for being shitty... Ask Flav, he seems to be the local expert on that sort of thing. However "data centers" don't really have reputations that way. They're either in-house(for example: blizzard has it's own data centers); or what are called "colocations" which are basically big rooms full of racks, power, and switching capacity. Such facilities wouldn't stay in business long if they had a lot of unscheduled outages.

	I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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ManyCookies Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 360 Joined: Nov 16^th, 2018	Re: Did SSG just hard crash? Reply #30 - Jul 16^th, 2020 at 11:47pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Jul 16^th, 2020 at 11:39pm: No, they moved from a "Better one" to a cheaper one. That's actually when things took a sharp turn down shit-creek. The year or two ago migration was from running the server on metal to virtualized, with very little thought or effort put into doing that right. They also moved to one that was a whole lot cheaper(I doubt SSG even owns the VM host, probably paying a 3rd party to do it all at a colocation they have no access to or control over) Every MMO has it's rough patches. I recall the early days of WoW the kind of forum-angst you'd see when the game had to take a few days of scheduled down-time. It was funny. Even now people seem to think they're $15/month entitles them to nine 9s of uptime. Honestly, I don't fault SSG for the occasional outage. I just ask they make it up to me with a few digital goodies that cost them absolutely nothing. Was it ever confirmed that the new data center was cheaper? I dont remember SSG giving any specifics back then. And yea, MMOs usually have rough patches, thing is, most of those are in the early days when they are still figuring stuff out, DDO has been out for how long? They should have everything nailed down to an exact science by now.


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ManyCookies Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 360 Joined: Nov 16^th, 2018	Re: Did SSG just hard crash? Reply #31 - Jul 16^th, 2020 at 11:51pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Jul 16^th, 2020 at 11:41pm: Ask Flav, he seems to be the local expert on that sort of thing. However "data centers" don't really have reputations that way. They're either in-house(for example: blizzard has it's own data centers); or what are called "colocations" which are basically big rooms full of racks, power, and switching capacity. Such facilities wouldn't stay in business long if they had a lot of unscheduled outages. Is Flav someone here? I might be wrong but i thought the "standard" was that only big companeis who can afford lots of tech staff have their own in-house data center, and everyone else outsources it because its cheaper than maintaining their own staff and fixing problems themselves. So there are two possibilities here : -SSG has their own in-house data center, and their server team is really incompetent. Or the machines they are using are so bad that theres nothing they can do. -SSG outsourced it to someone else, and that third party is really bad, but SSG keeps using them anyway because its cheap.


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 8873 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Did SSG just hard crash? Reply #32 - Jul 16^th, 2020 at 11:54pm	Print Post
	ManyCookies wrote on Jul 16^th, 2020 at 11:47pm: Was it ever confirmed that the new data center was cheaper? What exactly do you mean by "confirmed"? What other possible reason would there be for doing a datacenter move? "Yes, we're going to pick up this dying game and move it to a MORE expensive hosting infrastructure." - No One, Ever, Anywhere. ManyCookies wrote on Jul 16^th, 2020 at 11:47pm: I dont remember SSG giving any specifics back then. They quite literally never do. ManyCookies wrote on Jul 16^th, 2020 at 11:47pm: And yea, MMOs usually have rough patches, thing is, most of those are in the early days when they are still figuring stuff out, DDO has been out for how long? They should have everything nailed down to an exact science by now. So the problem is, one, lingering issues from the badly executed datacenter move/switch to virtualization(I could go into a lengthy technical summary but that would be boring), and two, all the quality people left. The game is now run by a very small team with all emphasis on maintaining the dwindling player base. When a major problem happens, they simply do not have the technical resources or know-how to fix it(there is, what, ONE guy left with engine-level knowledge of the game?). Just look at how they've closed most of the exploits: add artificial delays to stuff instead of, ya know, fixing the deep-seated architectural problems that make them possible.

	I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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Head-Meat 57%Misunderstood53%Moron Offline Subtle. I know. Posts: 9108 Joined: Nov 11^th, 2016	Re: Did SSG just hard crash? Reply #33 - Jul 17^th, 2020 at 12:07am	Print Post
	Got on to play... damn thing has been down for over 3 hours?!

	Strake wrote on Mar 31^st, 2020 at 1:51pm: Like every group, there are schlubs and there are stars, and a lot in between. Pick your cause and I can say the same thing about the associated group. Gunga wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 2:27am: Bitcoin. lul --Who is luling in March 2025? Proud FORCCer
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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 8873 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Did SSG just hard crash? Reply #34 - Jul 17^th, 2020 at 12:09am	Print Post
	Head-Meat wrote on Jul 17^th, 2020 at 12:07am: Got on to play... damn thing has been down for over 3 hours?! Just barely. I know I was playuing at 6 PST, signed off, and saw this thread less than 20 minutes later.

	I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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Head-Meat 57%Misunderstood53%Moron Offline Subtle. I know. Posts: 9108 Joined: Nov 11^th, 2016	Re: Did SSG just hard crash? Reply #35 - Jul 17^th, 2020 at 12:13am	Print Post
	Can't they take out the cartridge, blow in in, put it back in, and hit power?

	Strake wrote on Mar 31^st, 2020 at 1:51pm: Like every group, there are schlubs and there are stars, and a lot in between. Pick your cause and I can say the same thing about the associated group. Gunga wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 2:27am: Bitcoin. lul --Who is luling in March 2025? Proud FORCCer
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Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Poetry! Posts: 605 Location: Section ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha Joined: Jun 21^st, 2020	Re: Did SSG just hard crash? Reply #36 - Jul 17^th, 2020 at 12:17am	Print Post
	Head-Meat wrote on Jul 17^th, 2020 at 12:13am: Can't they take out the cartridge, blow in in, put it back in, and hit power? Wouldn't be a bit surprised if that specific action is exactly what caused this.


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 8873 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Did SSG just hard crash? Reply #37 - Jul 17^th, 2020 at 12:24am	Print Post
	Well, we know SOMETHING got blown, that's for sure...

	I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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Head-Meat 57%Misunderstood53%Moron Offline Subtle. I know. Posts: 9108 Joined: Nov 11^th, 2016	Re: Did SSG just hard crash? Reply #38 - Jul 17^th, 2020 at 1:09am	Print Post
	Back up

	Strake wrote on Mar 31^st, 2020 at 1:51pm: Like every group, there are schlubs and there are stars, and a lot in between. Pick your cause and I can say the same thing about the associated group. Gunga wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 2:27am: Bitcoin. lul --Who is luling in March 2025? Proud FORCCer
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Snu Snu Shroud Slacker Offline Drama is boring Posts: 1027 Joined: Sep 10^th, 2012	Re: Did SSG just hard crash? Reply #39 - Jul 17^th, 2020 at 1:47pm	Print Post
	https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/516577-Revive-the-characters-that-died... Cordovan: We are sorry if your character died due to instability in the game environment, but everyone here is correct that all deaths count on Hardcore regardless of cause. I hope hardcore is one of the coffin nails for that company.

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Head-Meat 57%Misunderstood53%Moron Offline Subtle. I know. Posts: 9108 Joined: Nov 11^th, 2016	Re: Did SSG just hard crash? Reply #40 - Jul 17^th, 2020 at 1:52pm	Print Post
	Snu Snu wrote on Jul 17^th, 2020 at 1:47pm: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/516577-Revive-the-characters-that-died... Cordovan: We are sorry if your character died due to instability in the game environment, but everyone here is correct that all deaths count on Hardcore regardless of cause. I hope hardcore is one of the coffin nails for that company. The rewards for this season are weak anyway imo.

	Strake wrote on Mar 31^st, 2020 at 1:51pm: Like every group, there are schlubs and there are stars, and a lot in between. Pick your cause and I can say the same thing about the associated group. Gunga wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 2:27am: Bitcoin. lul --Who is luling in March 2025? Proud FORCCer
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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Did SSG just hard crash? Reply #41 - Jul 17^th, 2020 at 2:15pm	Print Post
	Snu Snu wrote on Jul 17^th, 2020 at 1:47pm: all deaths count on Hardcore regardless of cause. Clearly, the game not working for every one of your players is a design feature and intended as a difficulty measure. The tooltip wasn't clear enough on that. This is who the game is run by now. Severlin is a fucking crystal meth junkie, and the staff are just low quality human beings in general, not just professionally.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Skoodge LORD OF BOOBS Offline Whatever Posts: 3702 Location: Why? You want to visit me? Joined: Jul 19^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: Did SSG just hard crash? Reply #42 - Jul 17^th, 2020 at 2:31pm	Print Post
	Snu Snu wrote on Jul 17^th, 2020 at 1:47pm: I hope hardcore is one of the coffin nails for that company. Apparently they think the solution to the dead cat bounce is to keep dribbling it.

	Turbine policy - glitches and poor coding resulting in interference of your game play or enjoyment will be ignored.� Glitches or poor coding on the developers side that at all benefit your game play or enjoyment will result in your character being banned and/or items from your inventory deleted.� Please report all bugs via our bug report...when it works.
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NOTpopejubal Epic Poster Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 4096 Location: Let go or get dragged. Joined: Apr 17^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Did SSG just hard crash? Reply #43 - Jul 17^th, 2020 at 3:14pm	Print Post
	The forums are down again. Any bets on how long it will be before Hardcore crashes again?


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Head-Meat 57%Misunderstood53%Moron Offline Subtle. I know. Posts: 9108 Joined: Nov 11^th, 2016	Re: Did SSG just hard crash? Reply #44 - Jul 17^th, 2020 at 3:24pm	Print Post
	NOTpopejubal wrote on Jul 17^th, 2020 at 3:14pm: The forums are down again. Any bets on how long it will be before Hardcore crashes again? I actually feel sorry for them.

	Strake wrote on Mar 31^st, 2020 at 1:51pm: Like every group, there are schlubs and there are stars, and a lot in between. Pick your cause and I can say the same thing about the associated group. Gunga wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 2:27am: Bitcoin. lul --Who is luling in March 2025? Proud FORCCer
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somenewnoob Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 751 Joined: Mar 10^th, 2016	Re: Did SSG just hard crash? Reply #45 - Jul 17^th, 2020 at 3:28pm	Print Post
	It's a fucking shit show on cannith. Long freezes every minute or two

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palladin9479 Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 30 Joined: Jun 17^th, 2020	Re: Did SSG just hard crash? Reply #46 - Jul 17^th, 2020 at 3:28pm	Print Post
	And it's down again. No response from here http://gls.ddo.com/GLS.DataCenterServer/Service.asmx Means entire front end is offline.


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Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Poetry! Posts: 605 Location: Section ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha Joined: Jun 21^st, 2020	Re: Did SSG just hard crash? Reply #47 - Jul 17^th, 2020 at 3:35pm	Print Post
	For the sake of accuracy, SSG seriously needs to change their name to Standing Still Games. I wonder if they figured out which toddler spilled their juice box in the data center.


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Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Poetry! Posts: 605 Location: Section ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha Joined: Jun 21^st, 2020	Re: Did SSG just hard crash? Reply #48 - Jul 17^th, 2020 at 3:40pm	Print Post
	SSG Motto: If it�s not completely fucked up, keep trying until it is.


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NOTpopejubal Epic Poster Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 4096 Location: Let go or get dragged. Joined: Apr 17^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Did SSG just hard crash? Reply #49 - Jul 17^th, 2020 at 3:48pm	Print Post
	Fuckers. Don't they know I need a game to keep my mind occupied while I'm at work?


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