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lostthenloved Abbot Raider Offline I Hate Drama! Posts: 869 Joined: Nov 19^th, 2014	What are people playing for endgame r10s and raids? Sep 1^st, 2020 at 2:05pm	Print Post
	im pretty happy with my main as a thrower right now but i wanna get some alts made up for endgame raids and maybe a few r10, maybe a few different rolls. iv been working on a tank but id like to see what people are playing at endgame if people are willing to share.


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Hardcore_Girl Dragon Raider Offline Hardcore or Go home! Posts: 267 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2013	Re: What are people playing for endgame r10s and raids? Reply #1 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 2:20pm	Print Post
	HOrc Barbarian. Glass cannon build - Frenzied berserker/Falconry/Racial enhancements. I read throwers are getting nerfed in the upcoming update, better to TR now.


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: What are people playing for endgame r10s and raids? Reply #2 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 2:21pm	Print Post
	bears and pallys, sorcs and alchemists, healers and tanks


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Technomage Epic Poster Offline And so it begins... Posts: 4444 Location: Tucson, AZ Joined: Aug 27^th, 2015 Gender:	Re: What are people playing for endgame r10s and raids? Reply #3 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 4:56pm	Print Post
	Throwers are about to be killed off so definitely move on to something else.

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Head-Meat 57%Misunderstood53%Moron Offline Subtle. I know. Posts: 9102 Joined: Nov 11^th, 2016	Re: What are people playing for endgame r10s and raids? Reply #4 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 8:23pm	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 4:56pm: Throwers are about to be killed off so definitely move on to something else. Something on lama? Or are you betting based on forum whining?

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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 8869 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: What are people playing for endgame r10s and raids? Reply #5 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 9:28pm	Print Post
	Head-Meat wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 8:23pm: Something on lama? Or are you betting based on forum whining? I'm guessing just past experience. The shifter race is about to be released which will "conveniently" coincide with the "long running decision" that something about throwers needs to be "balanced" to "improve the meta and totally not so everyone buys the new race".

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lostthenloved Abbot Raider Offline I Hate Drama! Posts: 869 Joined: Nov 19^th, 2014	Re: What are people playing for endgame r10s and raids? Reply #6 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 9:57pm	Print Post
	Technomage wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 4:56pm: Throwers are about to be killed off so definitely move on to something else. my understanding is they are only nerfing attack speed in heroics


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lostthenloved Abbot Raider Offline I Hate Drama! Posts: 869 Joined: Nov 19^th, 2014	Re: What are people playing for endgame r10s and raids? Reply #7 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 9:59pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 2:21pm: healers HELL NO im too ADHD to watch my own health bar i shouldn't be responsible for someone else's.


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NOTpopejubal Epic Poster Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 4096 Location: Let go or get dragged. Joined: Apr 17^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: What are people playing for endgame r10s and raids? Reply #8 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 10:06pm	Print Post
	Head-Meat wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 8:23pm: Something on lama? Or are you betting based on forum whining? The bug that gives people so many daggers with each throw is getting eliminated, so the number of attacks with Simple Thrown Weapons is going to go down. Announced on Llama


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NOTpopejubal Epic Poster Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 4096 Location: Let go or get dragged. Joined: Apr 17^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: What are people playing for endgame r10s and raids? Reply #9 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 10:08pm	Print Post
	My main at cap is a fire Sorc because I have all the gear for it and I’m too lazy to chase another set of good gear for another caster. Also, since Sorc is going to be the next class nerfed (my prediction based on forum whining - not any actual knowledge) I figured I’d enjoy it while I can. Love those quick cool downs.


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: What are people playing for endgame r10s and raids? Reply #10 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 10:08pm	Print Post
	lostthenloved wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 9:57pm: my understanding is they are only nerfing attack speed in heroics Unless I missed something over the weekend they are making a massive nerf to knife throwing by removing the extra dex based dagger SWTE was giving, as well as the extra doubleshot it was providing. I think an adjustment was totally fair of that feat, but dialing as far back as they are is basically just going to kill off all but very niche knife builds.


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makar Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 38 Joined: Jun 25^th, 2020	Re: What are people playing for endgame r10s and raids? Reply #11 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 11:18pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 10:08pm: Unless I missed something over the weekend they are making a massive nerf to knife throwing by removing the extra dex based dagger SWTE was giving, as well as the extra doubleshot it was providing. I think an adjustment was totally fair of that feat, but dialing as far back as they are is basically just going to kill off all but very niche knife builds. I agree. Just finished getting all my gear, but am tring into an alchemist caster as I figure that has a pretty long shelf life given that its a p2w class and just came out. They have a hardon against ranged builds atm :/


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 8869 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: What are people playing for endgame r10s and raids? Reply #12 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 11:22pm	Print Post
	NOTpopejubal wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 10:08pm: My main at cap is a fire Sorc because I have all the gear for it and I’m too lazy to chase another set of good gear for another caster. Also, since Sorc is going to be the next class nerfed (my prediction based on forum whining - not any actual knowledge) I figured I’d enjoy it while I can. Love those quick cool downs. I don't believe the fire sorc nerf is as likely as all that. In all the years I've followed the motherboards the only thing I've ever seen nerfed as a direct result of player whining was horses. The argument that "Sorcs are an F2P class, and thus will be nerfed to make people buy premium classes" just doesn't hold water. Its a very tiny percentage of the player base who strictly plays the "objective best", and will thus buy whatever new class comes out only if its more powerful than fire sorc. And that specific subset of players can't even agree that fire sorc is the "objective best". So, ya know, fire sorc for life, bro.

	I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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makar Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 38 Joined: Jun 25^th, 2020	Re: What are people playing for endgame r10s and raids? Reply #13 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 11:24pm	Print Post
	As far as I can tell the meta (after the next update) will be: * THF builds (mainly pally, barb, and bear) * Tanks * Healers (fvs still king, and with shifter I think its just going to be even more ridiculous) * Nukers (basically fire sorcs and alchemist bombadiers) * DC Casters (palemaster, maybe sorc/lock for specific content) * Niche builds where you only want max 1 in a party (e.g. assassin rogue, bard, etc.) Just my 2cp


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makar Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 38 Joined: Jun 25^th, 2020	Re: What are people playing for endgame r10s and raids? Reply #14 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 11:29pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 11:22pm: I don't believe the fire sorc nerf is as likely as all that. In all the years I've followed the motherboards the only thing I've ever seen nerfed as a direct result of player whining was horses. This is funny considering you know warlock was repeatedly nerfed in all the wrong ways thanks to a vocal part of the playerbase complaining they were getting outkilled.


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 8869 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: What are people playing for endgame r10s and raids? Reply #15 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 11:39pm	Print Post
	makar wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 11:29pm: This is funny considering you know warlock was repeatedly nerfed in all the wrong ways thanks to a vocal part of the playerbase complaining they were getting outkilled. Yes but that all happened when warlocks were new and CLEARLY op as shit. And it was a lot more than just "bitches on the mo-boards crying". Warlocks dominated the meta; when 30% of the playerbase is playing the exact same class, that means the class is overpowered. Yes they nerfed them wrong, but they also built them wrong to begin with. This is what SSG gets for not having anything resembling a correct testing cycle. Compare to sorcs, which are not most of what people are playing, and have been around since launch. Nerf not coming anytime soon.

	I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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Alex DeLarge Epic Poster Offline Get ready for some of the 'ol in-out, in-out Posts: 3468 Location: Foggy Albion Joined: May 11^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: What are people playing for endgame r10s and raids? Reply #16 - Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 12:21am	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 10:08pm: Unless I missed something over the weekend they are making a massive nerf to knife throwing by removing the extra dex based dagger SWTE was giving, as well as the extra doubleshot it was providing. I think an adjustment was totally fair of that feat, but dialing as far back as they are is basically just going to kill off all but very niche knife builds. Dex-to-doubleshot WAS its intended functionality. Only the secret dagger is getting nuked. That's in on itself is a pretty bad nerf of up to 25% damage loss.


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Rast Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 15 Joined: Dec 25^th, 2019	Re: What are people playing for endgame r10s and raids? Reply #17 - Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 3:35am	Print Post
	Alex DeLarge wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 12:21am: Dex-to-doubleshot WAS its intended functionality. Only the secret dagger is getting nuked. That's in on itself is a pretty bad nerf of up to 25% damage loss. Whiny little bitches on the forums, nerf this nerf that. 2h Melee need higher single target damage then all other builds. Dickheads, Btw what dagger is getting nerfed? Tell me it's not the babba one.


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Justanotherlurker Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 377 Joined: Jun 20^th, 2014	Re: What are people playing for endgame r10s and raids? Reply #18 - Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 6:27am	Print Post
	Rast wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 3:35am: Whiny little bitches on the forums, nerf this nerf that. 2h Melee need higher single target damage then all other builds. Dickheads, Btw what dagger is getting nerfed? Tell me it's not the babba one. Affects all dagger throwers as they are nerfing the SWTE feat.


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: What are people playing for endgame r10s and raids? Reply #19 - Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 1:22pm	Print Post
	Alex DeLarge wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 12:21am: Dex-to-doubleshot WAS its intended functionality. Only the secret dagger is getting nuked. That's in on itself is a pretty bad nerf of up to 25% damage loss. No it was giving an extra hidden dagger AND double shot. It is being nerfed closer to 30-40% of total missile proc rate


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: What are people playing for endgame r10s and raids? Reply #20 - Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 1:43pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 1:22pm: No it was giving an extra hidden dagger AND double shot. It is being nerfed closer to 30-40% of total missile proc rate 100% Doubleshot - Default Throw Animation 100% Doubleshot - 100 Dex, SWTE WAI 100% Doubleshot - 100, SWTE not WAI 100% Doubleshot - Combined total of legit DS sources (probably closer to 80 in reality) =400 100% Doubleshot - Default Throw Animation 100% Doubleshot - 100 Dex, SWTE WAI 100% Doubleshot - 100, SWTE not WAI 100% Doubleshot - Combined total of legit DS sources (probably closer to 80 in reality) Is in fact on it's face a 25% reduction. If you count uptime of active affects (Whirling Blades, MoM) it's more like a 20% nerf. Now lets see how everyone reacts if the devs suggested an across the board 20% nerf to Melee tomorrow. On the heels of a 20% nerf from IPS a few months back.


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 8869 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: What are people playing for endgame r10s and raids? Reply #21 - Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 3:38pm	Print Post
	Rast wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 3:35am: Whiny little bitches on the forums, nerf this nerf that. 2h Melee need higher single target damage then all other builds. Dickheads, Btw what dagger is getting nerfed? Tell me it's not the babba one. You can translate all forum whining as "I want everyone else to be weaker so I can feel stronger!" add in a bunch of sobbing and name calling and that's basically the entire motherboards.

	I'll never understand the propensity of people to brag about being good at a video game. Its a toy you play with for fun. The only person who should be proud of you is your mother. If you're 3.
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Alex DeLarge Epic Poster Offline Get ready for some of the 'ol in-out, in-out Posts: 3468 Location: Foggy Albion Joined: May 11^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: What are people playing for endgame r10s and raids? Reply #22 - Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 5:25pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 1:43pm: 100% Doubleshot - Default Throw Animation 100% Doubleshot - 100 Dex, SWTE WAI 100% Doubleshot - 100, SWTE not WAI 100% Doubleshot - Combined total of legit DS sources (probably closer to 80 in reality) =400 100% Doubleshot - Default Throw Animation 100% Doubleshot - 100 Dex, SWTE WAI 100% Doubleshot - 100, SWTE not WAI 100% Doubleshot - Combined total of legit DS sources (probably closer to 80 in reality) Is in fact on it's face a 25% reduction. If you count uptime of active affects (Whirling Blades, MoM) it's more like a 20% nerf. Now lets see how everyone reacts if the devs suggested an across the board 20% nerf to Melee tomorrow. On the heels of a 20% nerf from IPS a few months back. It's not a fucking doubleshot, sobsob Did you forget how Shuriken Expertise works? They copy pasted it for daggers on Lama preview 1, then they "changed" it to add Dex-to doubleshot instead. Unintended dagger from STWE was never affected by doubleshot, just like the fucking Shuriken Expertise was never affected by doubleshot.


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: What are people playing for endgame r10s and raids? Reply #23 - Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 6:32pm	Print Post
	Alex DeLarge wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 5:25pm: It's not a fucking doubleshot, sobsob Did you forget how Shuriken Expertise works? They copy pasted it for daggers on Lama preview 1, then they "changed" it to add Dex-to doubleshot instead. Unintended dagger from STWE was never affected by doubleshot, just like the fucking Shuriken Expertise was never affected by doubleshot. if you're to stupid to know that I'm just calling an extra shot chance at 100 Dex the same as 100% Doubleshot there's not a lot of hope for you. For all the autistics out there like Alex: 100% WHATEVER - Default Throw Animation 100% EXTRA SHOT CHANCE - 100 Dex, SWTE WAI 100% Doubleshot - 100, SWTE not WAI 100% Doubleshot - Combined total of legit DS sources (probably closer to 80 in reality) =400 100% WHATEVER - Default Throw Animation 100% EXTRA SHOT CHANCE - 100 Dex, SWTE WAI 100% Doubleshot - 100, SWTE not WAI 100% Doubleshot - Combined total of legit DS sources (probably closer to 80 in reality) The math/impact is exactly the same. No extra shot chance has EVER been affected by Doubleshot, not when 10K was extra shot chance, and not with SE/ANT.


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Head-Meat 57%Misunderstood53%Moron Offline Subtle. I know. Posts: 9102 Joined: Nov 11^th, 2016	Re: What are people playing for endgame r10s and raids? Reply #24 - Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 8:13pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 6:32pm: if you're to stupid to know that Truism: Typos are best used when calling someone else stupid.

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