Attacks/round is not doubleshot
Additional projectiles is not doubleshot either (both add attacks/round) but are technically very different.

Justanotherlurker wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 8:24pm:


what the fuck is a round?

harharharhar wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2020 at 6:32pm:


sobsob, you mad?

you're the autist calling it doubleshot when its not.

your stupid cunt math calling everything doubleshot made it look like you are doing 5 daggers no boost and 6 full boost.

but, but, but 5 is hard cap, soooo wtf you on about 30-40% dps loss then?

they're taking away 1 dagger, not 2. get it thru you thick skull sobsobsob.

You don't want me to go full Hag Master on your ass.

Alex DeLarge wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 12:16am:


do the math for yourself and you will understand.

Pre-sorc buff, it was quite common to look at the who tab and see something like 30-40% as warlocks (once you filter out the newbies at low levels who are running random builds).

Whenever someone asked what build to use for racial TRs, the go-to answer was warlock.

Even at cap, sometimes I would see raid parties where close to half the party were warlocks.

Then the sorc buff happened and sorc took the top spot for a while.

Now...i rarely see warlocks these days. Cant recall the last time I saw a fiend pact warlock with hurl even (which used to be extremely popular). Most of the warlocks I see are people trying out new pacts and then TRing shortly after. The warlock blast obviously cannot compare to sorc/alch nuking in terms of damage, and in endgame raids or high reaper where SP is an issue, blast isn't good DPS so the fact that it doesn't use SP is moot.

I'm honestly not sure what warlocks are good for nowadays. For CC/DC, Wiz is obviously better as well.

ManyCookies wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2020 at 3:18pm:


Warlock is still nice for a couple raids/quests. You can hit viable DCs mostly, but you have to pick your targets carefully. I suspect with the 11 point greater color spray from the illusionist tree, you'll maybe see some more.

Frost pact's absolute zero (lvl 15) ability is actually really nice for some things atm, due to perma freeze. It isn't universal, but the quests where you have constant respawns and it works to stop them, its really solid. Also the perma dot from ice storm bug is nice atm. Both these things are going away though (absolute zero is getting capped at 3 minutes I think, which on r10 will be ~20-22 seconds).

The main issue with warlock imo is that the damage is really bad. Maybe having the two epic feats, double damage each, would maybe make them competent blasters. And then on top of this, their key level 15 abilities (hurl, create thrall, absolute zero, etc.) are quickly becoming crap because your DC is reasonably maxed out near 90 (with specific debuffs, you can get an effective ~115 DC). When level cap goes up and more power creep from feywild xpac is introduced, you won't even have no fail on mobs that have a low save in that specific save.

They've just been nerfed too many times, while also not keeping up with the rampant stat inflation and power creep.

I still see rogues, rangers, and barbs.

Other classes are lightly sprinkled

Fvs healer/caster sitting at cap for too long haha, thf pally and thf barb atm. Tempest and asassin before thf /strikethru changes.

80% of my play is r10 at cap, some shortman PN, thth or KT, r1 Shroud, Fotp, TS or Baba.

Almost always static party with cc, heals and often proper tank.
Thank fuck more people have decent reaper points now so melees are everywhere and ranged and tardlocks disappeared.

Head-Meat wrote on Oct 5^th, 2020 at 12:15pm:


This isn't going to change, you just wont get an extra special secret dagger based on dex in Addition to the this like you have been

THF Barb THF Pally THF EK CC Alchemist CC Caster

harharharhar wrote on Oct 5^th, 2020 at 2:36pm:



Yes. I was aware of that one. There's a reason why THF EKs are a thing.

Thrower, Pally (DPS), Sorc, and FvS Healer.

twf assassin (main)
dc palemaster
healing tank fvs/pally
dps/cc alchemist (loot farmer / solo)

And then I'm also working on a thf pally at the moment, but its pretty gimp without tomes or rap or many past lives.