makar wrote on Oct 5^th, 2020 at 6:04pm:


Bladeforged or something else? I similarly have a thf BF pally @ lvl 30 right now, first life no tomes. It was "funny"(read, frustratingly stupid) when I tried to solo r1 Rosemary's Ballad. Pretty easy quest, yeah? Except no amount of skill can get around being chain-stunned. Same quest I can R6 on my very squishy main with a brazillion PLs. Dumb.

makar wrote on Oct 5^th, 2020 at 9:34pm:


If you want a good low-budget melee there's BF 3 paladin/5wizard/12 fighter. You get displacement and a few other wizard buffs, some good PRR from sacred defender, and enough fighter feats to get your jollies. I've run it a few times and it might just be better than pure pally first-life.

Head-Meat wrote on Oct 5^th, 2020 at 12:42pm:


yup. It's ugly

Head-Meat wrote on Oct 5^th, 2020 at 12:42pm:


No idea. I've never calced dmg on xbows before. after the nerf I'm sure they'll compare much more favorably to daggers and shuris tho!

BTW, I've continued to get the thrower thing down.

In shiradi, my new avg dps is 30k on Bruntsmash. (Fully upgraded Wide Open Sky now).

That puts thrower, nerfed, pretty similar if not a bit ahead, of CHA Pally.

Hmm. Not sure how i feel about that. The benefit of the CHA pally is the defenses and AOE instakill which the thrower wouldn't have... The pally would actually clear trash faster and be close to the same on bosses.

Still also want to try STR/Tremor Pally

Other consideration: Actually try caster alchemist.

Head-Meat wrote on Oct 6^th, 2020 at 1:06pm:


You don't want to go PM EK. Go WF EK with falconry. WF 18wiz/1barb/1fighter is what I did.

noamineo wrote on Oct 6^th, 2020 at 2:25pm:



I'm sure he didn't He just went for helpless dmg

Sergod wrote on Oct 6^th, 2020 at 1:51pm:


I'd love to see that build. Spending on both Falconry and Harper together because you don't have to spend any AP in Pale Master? Taking Falconry instead of Harper?

fuckface mcgee wrote on Oct 6^th, 2020 at 3:15pm:


IMO palemaster provides better self-healing than reconstruct/repair. The constant ticking can(with enough spell power/crit chance) turn into a full heal every few seconds even on high skull reapers. There's also the double-benefit: if damages things around you, and if you invest in the SLAs you can deal more damage for a very little spellpoint investment.

Rubbinns wrote on Oct 6^th, 2020 at 1:50pm:



Ok if he got 7 Seconds, he got a lucky hunts end + sniper shot. I tried t5 Vkf. You gain ~20RP but you lose 20 ds%. It's pretty close overall. I got similar dps number. SLIGHTLY less with VKF.

If you get a 19/20 on your Sniper shot, you can get 4-5x 30k crit. I've seen it plenty of times in quests and playing with training dummy. But, it's not so common as to be averageable.

Head-Meat wrote on Oct 6^th, 2020 at 5:15pm:

No. His times were consistent. 30k is just really low.

Head-Meat wrote on Oct 6^th, 2020 at 5:15pm:


Rubbinns wrote on Oct 6^th, 2020 at 4:56pm:

Head-Meat wrote on Oct 6^th, 2020 at 5:15pm:


also low for 19-20 sniper shot, hunt's end.

Head-Meat wrote on Oct 6^th, 2020 at 8:29pm:


IDK. I can get 14-15 seconds (33-35k ) pretty consistently on lamania in Legendary Dreadnought. And my character is trash. That time is behind what I get in Shiradi, Fatesinger, or even Fury without Unbridled.

Not every single recorded time was 7 seconds for Gordon, but he never fell below 10 seconds, and those were rarer than his faster times. If he fished longer for better times, grabbed every possible buff/potion, and went full kobold twists, he probably could do a 5-6 second ( 90k~ ) peak time.

You're taking around 10-12 seconds to kill r5 bruntsmash ( 30k~ dps ), which gives you enough time to stack Vacuum for the first 2 or 3 seconds. IDK what twists you used, ap selection, ED ap, or gear.

Optimal rotation on a 10-12 second kill would mean you start with Sniper Shot almost immediately and use Hunt's End for the second Sniper Shot.

Something like this : Vacuum swap, Rapid Throw, Aimed Shot, Sniper Shot, Sky swap, then use up any other activated attacks here. Then set up Hunt's End into Sniper Shot finale.

Not much more you can really do with regards to rotations since dagger throwers don't really have that many activated attacks with low cooldowns.

Rubbinns wrote on Oct 6^th, 2020 at 4:56pm:


It depends if you're going for belly or back.