I am considering TR'g a couple of my characters. One of them is Stainer, a lvl 20 dorf cleric. Not that this cleric PL helps any, but I considering doing some type of Arcane. I would like to stay pure class. I get a little confused when I start looking at all the feats/savants/ap choices. What is good build/guide to follow? I have ran up a WF Sorc, pre savants, so I am a little familiar with arcanes.

Pale Master looks interesting, but so do those Savants.

Invelios wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 3:55pm:


What about Acid? I heard that it was great until ~lvl 18.

Eladiun wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 4:03pm:


True. I was considering making him a Cleric again, but after playing a couple of FvS, I don't think I can. The aura/burst and DI are nice, but FvS are more fun!

Acid Blast is cool, but oozes are going to fuck ya up at lower levels.

I just capped an Ice Savant.

Didn't do the level as fire and change. Even a weakened fire wall and scorching ray against the skellies and cold mobs was effective and everything else just shatters.

Guildie was TRing his ranger and kept complaining that I was killing everything. Otiluks sphere is particulary fun, CoC for closer mobs and of course Polar ray is killer.


Have run with a few Air Savants and they seem particularly effective also. Ran SoS with me, a ranger, FS and 3 Air Savants. One of the fastest and smoothest I have ever run.

Phreshphrute wrote on Jul 19^th, 2011 at 11:09am:


I will trying my first multiple TR character soon, so I don't know if I have it in me to TR multiple times yet. So, prolly Sorc is the way do go then.

Pale Masters suck. I hate them and can't wait to TR away from Wizards completely...just one more Wiz life and I'm done with them for good.

Just a friendly FYI.

I've found Pale Master wiz/rog's to be really effective.  The key to leveling them very quickly is to be willing to chug sp pots as your sp pool will be pretty bad.  I'm not willing to do that so I often end up just leaning on necrotic touch/bolt and hoping for a con-opp proc or two to refresh my death aura.

They're tough as nails though and once you get in a few past lives you'll have the feats necessary to either go double-enchantment or single-enchantment + quicken (along with the wizard past life) if you go human.

The best part for me is that free extra xp you get from the traps.  Just a simple example, one of many when it comes to the multiple run grind...Kobold's New Ringleader gives 8% more xp for disabling the one fire trap.  It takes seconds and adds quite a bit of extra xp...almost as much as a cheap pot.

Traps really aren't dangerous when running stuff (especially solo) on normal but I look at them as breakables.  If you can easily 'ransack' them it's even more experience from the same quest...provided you have that rogue level.

Lastly, I'm a UMD junky.  If I'm going to go Pale Master instead of sorc I'd really start twitching about that sub-39 UMD.  It's not about me...obviously I can self-heal...but having a toon with Wand and Scroll Mastery that can't no-fail a heal scroll for the group makes me sad.

Oakianus wrote on Jul 31^st, 2011 at 1:34am:


Yeah, that's the thing that does it for me on pale master wiz/rog's...the fact that you can pretty much ignore all incoming attacks against you. Well, other than light-based damage.

The only downside is the small sp pool and that can be addressed with the right items and consumables.

Now that I've TR'd Akrites into pure Wiz, I have to say that the best plan is to have an Artie as your TR buddy. 

I have to agree with you that FvS are more fun than clerics...if I ever TR Saaluta,my main and favor cap character, it will be as a FvS.  Sadly, after the first few days of an update, she just sits there forlorn.  Almost have my FvS Tabora to 3k favor, so may be TRing Saal soon...although that may cause a divide by zero error in the world as my favored soul will be the reason I can have favored souls, lol. 

But, as to your question about casters, no idea as I've never capped one, although I recently bought an extra slot and guildies/friends have suggested I try leveling a caster again....so will probably be building a caster soon...but not sure if WF wiz or sorc would be better for me...

Saal