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If a rogue dies and the monks live, you are timing your mass heals in the right intervals. If the rogues and monks die, you are waiting to long.

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Yes.

Belwaar wrote on Jun 4^th, 2012 at 12:20pm:

rest wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 5:35pm:

People I really trust say that.  My FVS bores me.  Maybe just needs more gear or I have the playstyle wrong.   I dislike my Fvs's play.

Gawna, it may have something to do with what you mentioned: mine is melee too.  I think that's a problem.

Calvet, yeah, thanks for giving my Sorc a backpack ride.  Mostly farmed that with Jennafer and a guildie, with some more if the same. It is just a pl I am getting through in what little time I have had to play what with work nonstoo these 3 weeks.  So I am tired and definitely not saying the Sorc is uber....  Probably we should take Grace's hint/demand, so I will let you take that swipe and let's give it a rest, shall we?

Grace, I think I said this but def. at least3 levels on wand/scrolls, and don't laugh at old school healers like Twoheals that use cure crit wands in endame.  Check out the cast timecompared to heal scrolls.  Helps to mix em in.  Also should mention: shroud advanced:  you see low wiz killcount in part 1.  You clear portals.  You check map halfway through part 2.  Caster is not in position.  You go to crystal, turn on max and quicken, and alternate cometfall and searing light to take down crystal.  Dp is too slow.  Start with cometfall.  Eardweller enhanced.

Finally, in ddo blog Pjstechie has a good article on raid-specific clericing.  But mostly it is a mindset, and asking for advice reveals a good mindset.  As Bialdi once said, people in good time find the class that is best for them.  Playing a cleric poorly is easy.  Since playstyle for any class is key, takes some practice always.  Everyone has tomake their hotkeys work with their playstyle.

Yeah Ter your FVS is way better and it is melee.  It is a playstyle thing.

I really hated my cleric when I first rolled her up, which was maybe 6 months or so after I started playing. I think it was too soon, and being a divine requires a lot more understanding of the game front-loaded, or at least I'm more comfortable with it that way. When I dragged it out again a month ago, I had a blast and leveled the shit out of her.

But now that I've capped her, I think I'm actually going to TR her again fast. She's a 28 pt build, and with the stone of experience thing going on it's just too easy to boost her a bit. Though, I wish I had time to run her through a sorc life and then another cleric cap, because the evoc DC would be so much more beneficial than another cleric life. But the expansion will be out in a couple weeks, and I want her capped as a cleric when that happens. Though, I'd dearly love to skip through 8 levels of a sorc life. I kinda hate playing arcanes.

The best advice to give any Divine taking on a primary healing role

Of everyone in the party, your #1 in your healing order

Basically if your not alive you can't help your party stay alive.

The next best advice I can give is

They are your resources, you pick how you want to use them

sweez wrote on Jun 4^th, 2012 at 7:00pm:


I guess I could go pure evoker, for sure. Meh. Not a primary project. At the moment my cleric is my opener and my crafting toon

Terebinthia wrote on Jun 4^th, 2012 at 5:39pm:


I play an evoker FvS, a melee Fvs (WF) and I've got a human one like yours (it sounds like) at about level 15.  I also have a cleric that was my first character.  I love playing all of them.  My cleric is a high hitpoint dwarf that can stand in the mix and radiate/blast and implode/destruct along with the melees keeping everyone up no problem, my evoker FvS blades/kites/wings with implosion and destruction, and WF is a killing machine with sword and blade barrier.  So much fun on all of them.

The human melee I started up a while back thinking to make him like that WF but with healing word and heal amp for survivability.  He's actually working out good, but I have so many alts he gets stalled a lot.

I'd offer advice to the OP about playing a divine, but I do such a shitty job playing mine that I wouldn't feel good about it.  It's kinda all about anticipating when the burst damage is going to hit and where, and being ready for it.  Sometimes I'm on, but quite often I'm not.  The times when you're on are awesome... keeping Dots up, keeping the party up, harming the PM Wizzie right when he needs it, nailing trash with destruction as it runs by...

hgm-chi wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 2:46pm:

like basketball:  helps to envision the near future status of players on the court, 3 seconds from now

Often a mistake to commit to a vision of the future 15-seconds hence

Just let them die, then BB and DP everything.

I read the thread, but I'm going to be repeating some people's points, just cuz they're that damned important.

1. Some toons just need to die. That super squishy rogue that constantly draws aggro...the barbarian with no hp or healing amp...the fleshy sorc/wiz with no self-healing ability. If they are being an inordinate drain on your resources, fuck 'em.

2. Don't be afraid to call somebody out. There are times that a gentle /tell gets the point across...then there are moments when you shout "Hey, fuckwit! Pull it together."

3. Don't ever, EVER raise the squishy fuck in point #1. He will invariably charge back into the fight as buff-naked as the day he was born, and die again. Not worth the scroll, or the sp.

4. Join those PUGs. It's the fastest way to learn how to pull a raid out of the fire by its ears.

5. The leader isn't always right. If his way isn't working, and the raid isn't completely in the shitter, you still have a chance to make it happen.

6. Do NOT ever, ever ever ever let the AA, sorc, wiz, whatever...stand in your aura when they have a bosses aggro. They're close enough to you to benefit, but that means that when elite Harry gets pissy, you get nailed with the meteor swarm.

7. You have to be alive to keep everyone else alive...or kill bad guys. If it's down to you or the tank, the tank has got to bite it. Cuz he's gonna as soon as you're dead anyway. Be prepared to take the heat for it.

8. The one's that don't have healers/divines are the ones with the loudest voices. You will get far more shit from folks that don't have a clue about how different the game is when you play a Soul/cleric. Ignore them.

9. Don't expect a return on the resources you use. That way, when someone does chuck you a pot, or a piece of gear, it's a pleasant surprise.

10. Moving is critical. Nancy hit that one on the head for sure. Be the fucking bunny hopping around the place, it may just be the difference between life and death.

11. Always have heal scrolls. Always. It may not be your playstyle, but it's often the difference between chugging pots or making it through without.

12. There is a rhythm to healing. This is clear in raids like Shroud and EV6...the damage is reasonably consistent, so you can time your heals appropriately. I run with quicken and emp healing on all the time.

13. Know what the raid needs to complete, and run like hell if it's not joining the group. I can't count how many raids I've been in full of squishy melee, no tank, no CC...See the wreck before it happens and maybe dodge the bullet.

I reserve the right to add more when my brain isn't mush.

Kanny also likes to yell at the WF Arti that took Improved Fortification.