Eyeran wrote on Oct 26^th, 2012 at 5:20pm:


I also thought it was cool to have 768943268765784627386874326872 songs. I never once came even close to using them all. Ever. And I played spellsong vigor for everyone with a blue bar. Even barbs 

next page plz

Allo wrote on Oct 26^th, 2012 at 10:22pm:


It doesn't. People are speculating.

mudfud wrote on Oct 26^th, 2012 at 10:55pm:


I agree that is probably the case, but there is a theory that it was downsizing from the expansion (LOTR and DDO).

cdr wrote on Oct 26^th, 2012 at 11:59pm:


True. i'd read from Breca's post on the main forums tat they at least weren't expecting it though. Perhaps they are just the eternal optimist.

mudfud wrote on Oct 26^th, 2012 at 10:55pm:

According to Inkblack's sources, MOTU sold better than expected.  So much so that Turbine wanted to push out another expansion next year.

Edit: Typos before morning coffee.

Carpone wrote on Oct 27^th, 2012 at 8:43am:


That is indeed what I heard, but I also heard a week before the layoffs that Turbine was one of the only MMO's not shrinking and cutting people.  So much for that.

Also, I can't remember if I said this before, but the odds of an expansion next year are declining.  Right now it's around 1 in 3.

Combat Wombat wrote on Oct 28^th, 2012 at 12:25am:



Considering how low that bar was set but some of the shaved-apes they kept . . . it's hard to believe any could have been lower and still been able to tie their own shoes.

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In the US they more or less can tell you on a Friday that you won't have to come back on Monday.

Now consider that in my case, my employer has to give me a 3 month warning ( by snail mail ) and give me 2 days /month to look for another job. ( along with a lay off package that gets more and more expensive [ for them ] the longer you have been in the company )
Add to that the fact that if it's more than 10 people that are fired, it automatically becomes an Employment Recovery Plan... that needs to go through all the union circus... which will add at least 4 months between the time the lay off is announced and the day you receive the letter. ( remember you have 2/3 more month before actually being fired ). So basically in Froggy Land a mass ( mass being defined as more than 10 people ) lay off is at least a 6 month thing.

Personally I don't know which one is best...Both have advantages and drawbacks.

In Froggy Land we have what we call Intérim Jobs to compensate for the production peaks.
They are people hired from other companies ( Manpower, Addeco, ... there's many ) and they are here to buff the workforce when the production needs it... and to be laid off ( figuratively speaking, they are still employed by their original company ) when the production don't needs them anymore.

Feather:

Gives WF items and healers some love please.

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There's a couple of different ways that contract work here works.  You can have a defined employment term where you start on Date A and finish on Date B, or at the conclusion of the project that you're working on.  You can also be called a contractor, but are just a glorified temp and just told not to come back the next day, thanks, your contract has been fulfilled.

A lot of companies use the contractor term to get around the legalities for long-term temps.  If you employ a temporary employee for longer than 11 months, you have to start giving them benefits (insurance, etc.).  Microsoft for years got away with having temps that worked for them for decades with no accrued benefit.

Vexation wrote on Oct 29^th, 2012 at 3:34pm:


Nah, let him keep shooting his mouth off.

1- Letting slip things like the fact he can't code does let those of us giving feedback know to give up on expecting new functionality, and confine suggestions to a smaller sub-set.

2- The more push-back bad ideas get, the clearer his bosses'll understand what the underlying problems are. (And who knows, maybe he'll eventually get the point himself. At least once he's learned that the first rule of development is that everyones shit stinks.)

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404 was one of the good ones at Turbine.

As usual the decisions here make it clear that management at Turbine needs it's own layoff notices.