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Oct 1st, 2013 at 5:06pm
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I saw a couple of threads on the DDO Forums talking about Divine Disciple and it looks like it packs quite a punch for Light casters and it seems it would be kind of fun to be constantly shooting lasers and setting off Sunbursts and stuff at mobs. A Radiance-based Cleric would be too much of a one trick pony so I would also like to make the toon a good Healer. I guess Radiant Servant would be good for that role.

So, I'd like to know what race to choose (Sun Elf Morninglord or something else?) and any other suggestions (should I stay Pure Cleric and other considerations). How about Enhancement and Epic Destiny suggestions? Feat suggestions for both Heroic and Epic tiers and of course, end-game equipment. I'm thinking at least an EE Shamanic Fetish for the 120 to Devotion and Radiance. What else?

+4 tomes are available to me but alas, no +5 tomes are at the moment.

Also, how important would Wisdom be (besides for spellpoints) for such a build? How about Charisma? Remember, I'm focusing the build around Light spells and Healing.

Oh yeah, I don't want it to be a Melee toon at all but he should be survivable beyond the ability to heal himself.

Thanks for your time.
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Re: Healer + Light Cleric?
Reply #1 - Oct 1st, 2013 at 6:29pm
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Hey Arkat,

I was also thinking about making a light spammer once we can TR into Iconics.
Elf Morninglord is def the way to go for that kind of build.

I'd go with 18Cleric/2Pally heavy armor maxing PRR blah blah blah.




I'd max wis at start and put most of my levels up in it.

Rest in con (I like starting with 14) & cha depending on build points and tomes.

Arkat wrote on Oct 1st, 2013 at 5:06pm:
Also, how important would Wisdom be (besides for spellpoints) for such a build? How about Charisma? Remember, I'm focusing the build around Light spells and Healing.


Def max wis. I wouldn't min-max this kind of build. Achieve a somewhat high charisma mod with gear and tome to bump your saves up, but invest in wis as much as you can.    Most (If not, all) of light spells you have acces to recquire a save for half damage. and by maxing your main stat you also gain decent necro DC for lower diff.

Arkat wrote on Oct 1st, 2013 at 5:06pm:
How about Enhancement and Epic Destiny suggestions? Feat suggestions for both Heroic and Epic tiers


With all that spamming I think shiradi will be the best, you'll also be able to keep your DCs with the wis tree that Shiradi offer. Def twist both evocation specialist (or whatev they're called) from magister and draconic. Maybe radiant power or avenging light (MOAR LIGHT SPELLS) from exalted angel.

For feats I'd at least take at least Maximize, Emp Healing, Both evoc focus and maybe even the epic one.

Arkat wrote on Oct 1st, 2013 at 5:06pm:
Oh yeah, I don't want it to be a Melee toon at all but he should be survivable beyond the ability to heal himself.


You can always take divine might to raise your STR (Maybe even take PA?)  for decent melee'ing when needed. With high PRR and displacements clickies you can survive on the front line if you're careful. Be aware, I think you should stick to casting with this build but hey, im trying to anwser all questions.

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EDIT : If raid healing definatly go in exalted angel, but I assumed you knew that.




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Reply #2 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 9:15am
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I ended up turning my clonk into a Reaver Tank using low cost light spells for damage. Feats vary depending on whether you can get DCs viable or not for offensive casting (I could not).

It's not the best build, nor does it have any great gear, but my aura hits me for 91/tick and I'm at about 950hp and 2800SP in US. If I redo some APs I'd probably get at least Divine Might from Warpriest since my Stunning Fist DCs are still pretty good.

If I ever decide to get any past lives or work on offensive casting I'd probably throw Evo focii back in but for now since I'm just a raid healer (for one raid) Enlarge and other metas to boost my SLAs is more important.
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 12:47pm
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sunburst is great for shiradis.
  
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Reply #4 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 1:16pm
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I have 20FvS with 3 wiz past lifes who is my Wis DC based caster. Haven't known what to do with her for a while but this is excellent.

I liked to run in Shiradi for DPS or Exalted in harder raids using Divine Wrath and SLAs.

But now, maybe I'll go some split of FvS 6 for Archon and all of it's ridic SP/Crit enhancements and 14 Cleric for everything else.

For no to low save SLA's that might work great. A 20 cleric necro though would be beast with this new stuff I think.

So many options...Maybe a Cleric 17/3 FvS
  
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Reply #5 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 4:54pm
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Darree,

Thanks for your input. I'm having real trouble with multiclassing. I really like the Divine Disciple capstone enhancement.

Yes, Exalted Angel looks to be awesome for raid healing purposes and I definitely agree Shiradi would be the way to go the rest of the time.



rest,

Sunburst and Shiradi look like a great combo.





All,

Looking at using Bulwark of the Storm's fist as my shield. Not sure what I should use in the weapon slot? Forgotten Light if I don't put Shamanic Fetish in my trinket slot? Something else?
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Reply #6 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 6:02pm
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Get a lootgen +10 radiance 144 of radiance lore 20% It can be ML 27 with wondrous craftsmanship.

Throw on some Gauntlets of Immortality for 120 positive spell power/ 12% crit chance. Not the highest you can get, but since you're only healing part-time it should work nicely.

With the glut of 10/10 accessories, trinket could be valuable over and above the shamantic.

Kind of curious why you wanted to do cleric over FvS. FvS gets you the laser cannon. Pew pew pew! Or wait did that change? I can't even remember anymore. If you can get an archon as a cleric, that might be cool. But no wings on a cleric Sad
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Reply #7 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 8:20pm
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16 cleric/2 fvs/2 monk

Definitely splash at least 2 FvS for scourge, crit and just rewards.  What you get is so much more than a mediocre capstone.  I don't think 6 FvS for archon is worth it, since you'd lose 2 DC and lots of stuff in DD is reflex based and who knows what the MCLs on some spells are. 

If you want a better solo experience, splash 2 more levels of monk + paladin helf dill as well.  Ocean stance makes up for the slight DC loss and you do need to be wisdom based for this type of build to work. 

Shiradi is a good destiny as always, but EA might be even solo, since your spells aren't multi-proccing.  You'd get higher DCs, divine wrath, more light power and wings. 

What about sunburst and shiradi is a good combo?  Sunburst from description is just a normal weak AoE, of which you have plenty. 
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Reply #8 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 10:29pm
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AtomicMew wrote on Oct 2nd, 2013 at 8:20pm:
What about sunburst and shiradi is a good combo?  Sunburst from description is just a normal weak AoE, of which you have plenty. 

Sunburst has a very large Area of Effect so wouldn't the Double Rainbow proc also go off on all the mobs in that large AoE?


Also, thanks for the level split suggestion. 2 FvS looks like a no-brainer. 2 More levels in Monk or Paladin is a tougher call. Pretty sure I want to wear Medium or Heavy armor so Monk is a tougher sell.

Gonna play around with Ron's new character planner he released today to see what things look like feat-wise I suppose.
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Reply #9 - Oct 2nd, 2013 at 10:45pm
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rest,

I got hold of a ML24 Devotion 114 of Radiance Lore (16%) scepter with a Red Slot today. Probably going to put a Radiance 114 augment in it.

The Clerics of Amaunator turn-in, Signet of the Shining Sun, has Healing Lore 16% on it so I'm definitely looking hard at that. The Gauntlets of Immortality are VERY attractive though.

Those two items could last quite a while until I find some of the gear you mentioned.

Regarding Cleric over FvS...I just fell in love with the Divine Disciple PrE. The sheer number of enhancements it has to augment Light spells (not to mention the three light spells it adds to your spellbook) just screams, "Make a Light spell-based offensive Cleric!"


Thanks for your input.
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Reply #10 - Oct 3rd, 2013 at 12:19am
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Sunburst isn't an SLA it's a full mana spell, just like all the light spells from core enhancements.

The SLA's are a bit sexier (searinglight, the first level one, and holy smite), but still DC based and largely single target.

I think 2FvS is a good splash, but I just don't know where this build will get the SP from to nuke. You have 1 (2 with Flame Strike) AoE SLA's and that's it. Blade barrier is cool but also expensive.

I don't know maybe im old fashioned worrying about SP.
  
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harharharhar wrote on Oct 3rd, 2013 at 12:19am:
Sunburst isn't an SLA it's a full mana spell, just like all the light spells from core enhancements.

Actually, Sunburst IS an SLA for the Sun Elf Morninglord. Take a look way in the upper left-hand corner of that racial enhancement tree. It's gonna be expensive to get there but it's possible.
  

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Arkat wrote on Oct 2nd, 2013 at 10:29pm:
Sunburst has a very large Area of Effect so wouldn't the Double Rainbow proc also go off on all the mobs in that large AoE?


Also, thanks for the level split suggestion. 2 FvS looks like a no-brainer. 2 More levels in Monk or Paladin is a tougher call. Pretty sure I want to wear Medium or Heavy armor so Monk is a tougher sell.

Gonna play around with Ron's new character planner he released today to see what things look like feat-wise I suppose.


Flamestrike should be the go to AoE spell in shiradi, since it'll double proc and is evocation based (unlike cometfall).  Also, heard of Sage's skullcap?  It's in the end reward to breaking the ranks 100% of the time (because turbine). 

Sage's Skullcap (Epic) - Fortification 110, Radiance Lore IX, Radiance +132, Yellow Augment Slot

It's quite good, and worth breaking up the blue dragon set, since you'll be able fit another lore type (fire lore/kinetic lore) onto your weapon sets
  
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Reply #13 - Oct 3rd, 2013 at 2:26am
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AtomicMew wrote on Oct 3rd, 2013 at 1:00am:
Flamestrike should be the go to AoE spell in shiradi, since it'll double proc and is evocation based (unlike cometfall).  Also, heard of Sage's skullcap?  It's in the end reward to breaking the ranks 100% of the time (because turbine). 

Sage's Skullcap (Epic) - Fortification 110, Radiance Lore IX, Radiance +132, Yellow Augment Slot

It's quite good, and worth breaking up the blue dragon set, since you'll be able fit another lore type (fire lore/kinetic lore) onto your weapon sets


there's nothing wrong with holy smite for getting shiradi procs it's pretty big. Can it be enlarged?
  
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Arkat wrote on Oct 3rd, 2013 at 12:32am:
Actually, Sunburst IS an SLA for the Sun Elf Morninglord. Take a look way in the upper left-hand corner of that racial enhancement tree. It's gonna be expensive to get there but it's possible.


i didnt realize you were gunning for sunlord. in that case yes you're right, sunburst is an SLA.
  
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harharharhar wrote on Oct 3rd, 2013 at 2:26am:
there's nothing wrong with holy smite for getting shiradi procs it's pretty big. Can it be enlarged?

No there's nothing wrong per se.  The problem is, it's really not as good as you think it is.  Shiradi procs only make up a fraction of the damage per proc.  Clerics don't get multi-proccing spells, so you really want spells with high base damage, which is flame strike being the most efficient SP-wise.

Unless the sunburst wiki description is wrong (please correct it), there is no way that the sunburst SLA in morninglord is worth it.  It doesn't matter if you can maximize and empower it and if it hits the entire screen.  6d6 is terrible damage.
  
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AtomicMew wrote on Oct 2nd, 2013 at 8:20pm:
16 cleric/2 fvs/2 monk

Definitely splash at least 2 FvS for scourge, crit and just rewards.  What you get is so much more than a mediocre capstone.  I don't think 6 FvS for archon is worth it, since you'd lose 2 DC and lots of stuff in DD is reflex based and who knows what the MCLs on some spells are. 

If you want a better solo experience, splash 2 more levels of monk + paladin helf dill as well.  Ocean stance makes up for the slight DC loss and you do need to be wisdom based for this type of build to work. 

Shiradi is a good destiny as always, but EA might be even solo, since your spells aren't multi-proccing.  You'd get higher DCs, divine wrath, more light power and wings. 

What about sunburst and shiradi is a good combo?  Sunburst from description is just a normal weak AoE, of which you have plenty. 


It's a very large, very cheap SLA that procs on everything in the radius. While it's not as good as MM from a multi-proc stand point, it hits a lot of stuff. Divines don't have multi-proc spells, so you just have to rely on chain spamming multi-target spells instead. AOE SLAs are awesome.

Also, I was thinking it was a cleric SLA, but then I remembered I used it on my druid. So my bad on that point. (Sun Elf aside).
  
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Yeah druid get probably the best AoE SLAs for Shiradi. And they get Earthquake.

That being said I'm sure there is something good here to be done. Anyone know if Shiradi procs of Henshin finishers/spell things (cauldron and the wave thing)?
  
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Reply #18 - Oct 4th, 2013 at 3:50pm
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Went with the Sun Elf Morninglord and decided on a Cleric18/FvS2 split.

Maxed WIS and am going to concentrate on the Divine Disciple's SLAs.

Will get my WIS as high as possible (will be 56 with only Ship buffs) and do all I can to raise my Evocation DCs as high as possible without gimping the toon.

Shiradi and Exalted Angel will be the EDs of choice.

Will concentrate on Radiance and Positive spellpower and Lores but will also have an 80 Potency item to power up Blade Barrier damage a bit.

There will be no melee capability to speak of but there will be some PRR (40 or so), Blurriness, a little Dodge, and some pretty decent Healing Amp as well as a nice shield to hide behind (actively blocking) while throwing my SLAs.


Feats are/will be:

1 Empower Healing
3 Empower Spell
6 Heighten Spell
9 Maximize Spell
12 Quicken Spell (uninterruptible Heals and Mass Heals are nice)
15 Spell Focus - Evocation
18 Greater Spell Focus - Evocation
21 Epic Spell Focus - Evocation
24 Great Wisdom
26 Epic Spell Power - Light
27 Epic Damage Resistance
28 Epic Spell Power - Positive


Should have a 35%+ chance to Critical my Light spells and a 25%+ chance to Critical my Cures/Heals.


SLAs will include:

Avenging Light (SLA from Exalted Angel ED)
Nimbus of Light
Searing Light
Holy Smite
Sunburst (from Sun Elf Morninglord Racial enhancement tree; only every 30 seconds though)
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Update

This toon is currently at 18 Cleric with 19th level banked. When I hit the Heroic cap (20th), I will take two FvS levels.

So far it's been a blast to play. The light SLAs are very nice and the healing has been acceptable. The toon currently has a 41 Evocation DC so things like Blade Barrier are pretty dependable. The toon has a good bit of Force spellpower (in addition to the high Light and Positive spellpower) so the BBs are hitting for a lot of damage too.

So, on Heroic, the toon is great. We'll see what it's like on Epic difficulty soon enough.
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Reply #20 - Nov 17th, 2013 at 12:42am
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Ok, capped the toon today at 28.

Works well on Epic levels too.

358 (378 in Shiradi) Light Power and 291 Positive Power. Also have a 244 Force Power for Blade Barriers.

36% chance for criticals for Light spells and 24% chance for healing criticals. These numbers include the 5% chance for getting a spell critical the Magical Training feat gives you.

Once the gear is done (just need some +5 tomes) the toon will have 700+ HP, around 2500 SP and 49 PRR. Will also have 50 Fort save, a 40 Reflex save and a 61 Will save. Evocation DC is at 55.

I've seen some VERY large (3,200+) damage numbers from the SLAs and some even higher damage numbers from the Non-SLA spells, Sunbolt and Sunbeam.

Probably the most fun Cleric/FvS-type I've ever played.


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updated some of my numbers
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I like it.

Mostly Shiradi or EA?

Divine Wrath is epic.
  
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harharharhar wrote on Nov 17th, 2013 at 5:50pm:
I like it.

Mostly Shiradi or EA?

Divine Wrath is epic.

Mostly EA during the leveling process. Haven't played him much in Shiradi at full strength as I just maxed it out. Looking forward to some raids with him though, especially FoT.
  

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Do you recommend this kind of build to be a sun elf? Or is it just as good as a human? Seems interesting.
  
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tachyon wrote on Nov 17th, 2013 at 11:30pm:
Do you recommend this kind of build to be a sun elf? Or is it just as good as a human? Seems interesting.

Sun Elf gets Sunburst SLA as one of it's racial enhancements which, as an AoE, works well with Shiradi. The extra feat for being a Human is nice but not needed. See my feat choices in one of my posts above.
  

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