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Bladeforged monkcher
Feb 1st, 2014 at 2:32am
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I was wondering if someone can help me flesh out a bladeforged monkcher.  I'm planning on a 2 FvS splash

base stats:
str: 16 + 5 tome + 2 level ups
dex: 16 + 5 tome
con: 10 + 3 tome
int: 8 + 5 tome
wis: 14 + 4 tome + 3 level ups
cha: 8 + 4 tome

I also have the mabar +5 tome in the TR bank that I haven't used yet. 
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Re: Bladeforged monkcher
Reply #1 - Feb 1st, 2014 at 3:38am
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What's the 2fvs for? Divine Might?
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 1st, 2014 at 2:52pm
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Yeah divine might, +2 bow enhancements mainly.  Possibly, cheap PRR and saves enhancements as well.
  
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Re: Bladeforged monkcher
Reply #3 - Feb 1st, 2014 at 8:32pm
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Whats the point in building a bladeforged monkcher, theres no synergies.

Your key stats are -2
You dont use tactics
Your eligible for empower heal.

I dont see how fvs is giving your bows a +2 bonus, the warpriest righteous weapons line is for favored weapons, on a bladeforged thats a greatsword.
  
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Re: Bladeforged monkcher
Reply #4 - Feb 1st, 2014 at 10:28pm
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BF has a lot of pros:

recon saves you a twist slot
Extra fortification
power of the forge
20% slashing absorption

Shaatan TRed his monkcher to BF, so it has to have some merit Tongue

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/433491-Over-Raided-Duo-EE-The-Lord-of-...

The wiki says that any race can take silver flame, is that wrong?  If so, I could also consider some of the other splashes.
  
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Re: Bladeforged monkcher
Reply #5 - Feb 1st, 2014 at 11:15pm
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The wiki says that any race can take silver flame, is that wrong?  If so, I could also consider some of the other splashes.


No its correct, I was having a particularly retarded moment (especially considering pre motu my esos wf fvs used to be sov host for the clw capstone)

As far as a build goes then, it shouldn't be too hard to work through.

I too would splash fvs.

Id probably give up combat archery, so youll only need to reach 19dex.

Base stats: (assuming 5 tomes)
16str (2 levels), 14dex, 10con, 8int, 14wis (5 levels), 14cha.

Feats shouldnt be too hard to work out. Mostly id copy my list on rangenmo.
Changes:
Swap empower heal for mental toughness (or quicken, no concentration check on sla's, but the faster animation is still nice)
Pick up precision instead of ips at level 15.
Pick up ips at 21
Oc at level 24
Ima at level 27
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Re: Bladeforged monkcher
Reply #6 - Feb 2nd, 2014 at 10:21pm
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I TR'd my main Monkcher last month to BF 10Monk 6 Ranger 4 Pally.

Will never go back to fleshie unless something significant changes.

4 Pally for DM and Saves, Monk and Ranger should be obvious.

Better split might be: 12 Monk for AS and Tier 3 Forms autogranted, 4 Ranger, 4 Pally.

Anyway, massively OP. Run around with about billion AB's, and 60-70 Str without trying hard, and like 70 PRR.

Also,

RECON? Built in Fort? Weapon Attachment? Forge AB? BF Racial tree is unreal.

Fleshy Monkchers are so 2013
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Reply #7 - Feb 2nd, 2014 at 10:31pm
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If you're going to splash paladin, go 2 and man up about losing the twist. 4 paladin is pretty worthless.
  
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Re: Bladeforged monkcher
Reply #8 - Feb 2nd, 2014 at 10:42pm
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cdr wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 10:31pm:
If you're going to splash paladin, go 2 and man up about losing the twist. 4 paladin is pretty worthless.


You are incorrect. DM + Pally saves is better than any other use of those 2 levels. At worst, it's a wash on losing a twist slot. At best, you can be more flexible with open twists. I like that better than 2 more useless levels of monk or ranger or fighter.

Saves + Damage is what this build is about. I would not use a twist on Turns.

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Re: Bladeforged monkcher
Reply #9 - Feb 2nd, 2014 at 10:54pm
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What do you need the saves for..

improved evasion + self healing + immunities = fuck paladin.

I definately not drop to monk 10. Dps and avoidance is what archery is all about.

4 paladin is not worth giving up 5% movement speed, a feat and abundant step.

2 splashes are better.
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Re: Bladeforged monkcher
Reply #10 - Feb 2nd, 2014 at 11:03pm
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cdr wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 10:31pm:
4 paladin is pretty worthless.


Quicken'd SLA is a beast thou
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 12:00am
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You need quicken on a monkcher?
  
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Re: Bladeforged monkcher
Reply #12 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 12:17am
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cdr wrote on Feb 3rd, 2014 at 12:00am:
You need quicken on a monkcher?


On a monkcher? Naaaaah...
  
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Re: Bladeforged monkcher
Reply #13 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 12:51am
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Look guys,

I prefer to have my saves in high 60s-70s.

I prefer to have maximum damage, and flexible twists.

I never have enough Ki to use AS when I need it so who cares?

If you want to play less defensively by wasting a twist slot and having shot saves, be my guest. You obviously aren't soloin/shortmanning a lot of the harder EEs.

And by the way, you suggest keeping AS and 5% movement but argue my focus on saves it too high.


The only thing that kills me is failed saved. AS and 5% movement are useless to me. I don't know how you play your monkchers but i don't particularly care, it's not how I play mine. I'm not wrong, everything in this game is fucking cake to me, and my monkcher is so op with 4 pally levels it's nuts.

Pally also nets me some more SP which this build can always use more of with recons and and slayer arrows soccer I never spend more than 32 points in AA and I don't take moonbow or whatever for sp.

I want self heals, saves, prr, hp in that order, defensively. Saves are king.
  
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Re: Bladeforged monkcher
Reply #14 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 12:52am
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Also fuck apple, fuck iPhones, and fuck autocorrect.
  
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Reply #15 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 1:01am
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Also I should mention after using extensively no monk her should go without sniper shot, that's why I go 6 ranger. It's too good for when slaying arrows is on cool down.

So, 10 monk, 6 ranger, 4 pal is my preference. If you want to lock in a twist, do a 2 splash. But with epic completionist, I'm looking at:

In Fury:
Pin
Whistler
Dance of Flowers
Extra action boosts

In LD:
Pin
Whistler
Dance
+2 wisdom raged from fury/enlightenment (free up APs) or dodge twists/other utility twist.

This makes me happy.
  
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Reply #16 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 2:00am
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You're a moron - but you knew that. 2 pal gets you Divine Grace. That's the saves you somehow seem to be insisting you need 4 pal for.

Divine Might is a kind of meh ability since it doesn't stack with insightful. And if you cared about DPS you'd go fvs and elf/human.

harharharhar wrote on Feb 3rd, 2014 at 12:51am:
Look guys,

I prefer to have my saves in high 60s-70s.

I prefer to have maximum damage, and flexible twists.

I never have enough Ki to use AS when I need it so who cares?

If you want to play less defensively by wasting a twist slot and having shot saves, be my guest. You obviously aren't soloin/shortmanning a lot of the harder EEs.

And by the way, you suggest keeping AS and 5% movement but argue my focus on saves it too high.


The only thing that kills me is failed saved. AS and 5% movement are useless to me. I don't know how you play your monkchers but i don't particularly care, it's not how I play mine. I'm not wrong, everything in this game is fucking cake to me, and my monkcher is so op with 4 pally levels it's nuts.

Pally also nets me some more SP which this build can always use more of with recons and and slayer arrows soccer I never spend more than 32 points in AA and I don't take moonbow or whatever for sp.

I want self heals, saves, prr, hp in that order, defensively. Saves are king.
  
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Re: Bladeforged monkcher
Reply #17 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 3:00am
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harharharhar wrote on Feb 3rd, 2014 at 12:51am:
If you want to play less defensively by wasting a twist slot and having shot saves, be my guest. You obviously aren't soloin/shortmanning a lot of the harder EEs.


These statments always amuse me.

Your an idiot, next time try stopping at "its my build & it works for me".
  
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Reply #18 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 4:17am
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Munkenmo wrote on Feb 3rd, 2014 at 3:00am:
These statments always amuse me.

Your an idiot, next time try stopping at "its my build & it works for me".


Calling me an idiot doesn't make me wrong.

At least I didn't suggest slashing 2 Druid *rollseyes*

And I'm wrong about what you play and at what difficulty, feel free to correct me.

My monkcher was fleshy for the last 4 years (mostly helf, then more recently elf). He has 15 past lives. They were all /2 splits.

Elf is not stronger than BF btw cdr, you can double boost with forge. I was elf for 3 previous lives. It was weaker but better defense with displace DMs and enchant saves though

And when your cha is 30-36 (dep starting stats and tomes), +3 insight is piss. Also, who wasted an equipment slot on 3 str when you can have +10-13 insight from DM? If you think that's not a big difference, I will not waste time arguing that with you. You can run around with 3 insightful str, have fun.

If either of you are on khyber, if be happy to run around with either of you in any quest you choose and you can see for yourselves

Lol, human.
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Reply #19 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 4:35am
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When I last tred my monkcher 2 druid was far and away the best splash.

When I get round to updating him ill go 2fvs. You can piss about how good you are all you want, I dont need pally saves, cdr doesnt ned pally saves, hell even shataan doesnt have them. You going to accuse him of not being able to solo?

Your an idiot, who obviously cant avoid damage / spells. If you could you wouldnt go 4 paladin.

Ps. Try twisting turn undead in and out before a quest.
  
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Reply #20 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 4:44am
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Heh at least on Ghallanda, I don't think I actually ever seen monkcher with 2 druid.
It's always fighter or arty( back from when Wowo stopped posting and Sith posted Sithali ) or everyone has 2 pally now.
Because well, Sestra posted his halfling, half of Omnipresence are monkchers.
I would get 2 pally too on mine long time monkcher, but fuck Turdbine and their alignment change.
Will tr at some point instead, but monkcher is boring as shit for me at the moment.
Fucking broken piece of shit easy button.
  
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Reply #21 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 5:49am
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I'm not interested in making a build around broken exploiting of the undeads.

That makes you the idiot
  
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Reply #22 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 6:18am
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Neither am I, its why I prefer fvs.
  
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Re: Bladeforged monkcher
Reply #23 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 7:56am
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I love it when someone makes accusations then is shown to be wrong! Then they do it again, repetitively! Some people never learn, harharharharhar.
  
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Reply #24 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 9:46am
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Wrong how? This is all subjective theory crafting. I'm not wrong that saves are higher and a twist is free with pally 2 or 4.

You're wrong for suggesting that.

There is no objective truth to /2 fvs or Druid or pally or 4 pally being better. They're all basically the identical builds since 99% of their utility is wrapped up Manyshot, 10k, earth stance, slayer arrows, and OC.

The rest is relatively meaningless and really revolves around play style.

My version of a BF is subjectively the most unkillable version. I also argue that subjectively I find it to have the highest DPS. Why? Because I don't have dodge or avoid shit. It's basically an invincible ranged tank. And when it does rarely take some damage, I just hit easy button recon. That means I spend more time doing dps on targets, with twists that are maximized for damage as well.

I dare any of you to try it. I have, and I've tried every other build listed here (except Druid). Have any of you done that?

Apparently not. So I'm going to insist that you blow your (subjectively judged) bullshit fake certainty out of your collective subjectively full of shit asses.

Gimps gonna gimp I guess.
  
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