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AtomicMew Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2073 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2011	Re: Bladeforged monkcher Reply #50 - Feb 4^th, 2014 at 1:10am	Print Post
	Interestingly, bladeforged can only take Follower of the lord of blades (unless I'm missing something?) So I'm potentially reconsidering the FvS splash, as that was one of the major draws I think.


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AtomicMew Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2073 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2011	Re: Bladeforged monkcher Reply #51 - Feb 4^th, 2014 at 1:11am	Print Post
	Interstingly, bladeforged can only take follower of the lord of blades, not silver flame. So that's making me reconsider the FvS splash :/


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged monkcher Reply #52 - Feb 4^th, 2014 at 1:46am	Print Post
	smacks forehead, bows head, walks away


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4339 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Bladeforged monkcher Reply #53 - Feb 4^th, 2014 at 3:23am	Print Post
	AtomicMew wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 1:11am: Interstingly, bladeforged can only take follower of the lord of blades, not silver flame.� So that's making me reconsider the FvS splash :/ Ugh I thought this was the case with BF. Times like this I wish I had game access so I could post with certainty. Looking at it, a BF monkcher likely has around 14base+5tome+10item+1exceptional+2insight 32 charisma. (11 cha mod) Fvs pros: 4ap for divine might 8ap for divine might + 5hp + 10prr 5% movement speed Free feat (master of forms) No need for turn undead (free twist slot) Cons: Divine might uses 15 sp Roughly 8 saves behind a 2 or 4 paladin. 2paladin pros 5% movment speed Free feat 8+ saves ahead of fvs Divine might doesnt use sp Cons Divine might costs a twist slot Divine might costs 7-11 ap (opinion: 5 of which sucks) 4 paladin pros 8+ saves ahead of fvs Divine might doesnt cost sp Cons Loses 5% movement speed -1 feat slot (this is huge to me, it could be quicken or mental toughness) Divine might costs 7-11 ap Lose access to 5% heal amp (not a big deal) Im not bothering to work out total sp for each split on a cell phone, but I dont think ther'd be much in it. The damage on all 3 splits is the same on paper. The difference is your prefences with the pros and cons.
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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged monkcher Reply #54 - Feb 4^th, 2014 at 10:18am	Print Post
	You forgot bf boost, prr/dr?, weapon attachment and fort. Those are all pros I think


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged monkcher Reply #55 - Feb 4^th, 2014 at 10:19am	Print Post
	And repair amp but I take 1 tier if heal amp where gilv set with 20 amp and 30 bracers of parrying so you actually can be healed well enough in raids or whatever


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4339 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Bladeforged monkcher Reply #56 - Feb 4^th, 2014 at 11:03am	Print Post
	They're all bladeforged splits. I wasnt comparing races. Fwiw, I definately would go 2fvs.
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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged monkcher Reply #57 - Feb 4^th, 2014 at 11:56am	Print Post
	My bad, there talk of other races before.


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged monkcher Reply #58 - Feb 4^th, 2014 at 11:58am	Print Post
	For the record, I find quicken unnecessary on this build. Maxed concentration, good wisdom, and the fact that you're a ranged character I find to be sufficient. It keeps things exciting.


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Mokune Shroud Slacker Offline Gimped Hairless Ape Posts: 1115 Joined: Nov 16^th, 2011	Re: Bladeforged monkcher Reply #59 - Feb 4^th, 2014 at 12:34pm	Print Post
	Alex DeLarge wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 12:46am: Maybe if you weren't so fucking obnoxious, people wouldn't mind your opinion on the subject. Since you can't, how about you take a step back and literally FUCK YOURSELF IN THE FACE! Did I miss something? I don't see auto-felatio in the BF enh tree...is it a Twist from one of the ED spheres? Count me in if it adds a fort save vs broken neck....

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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged monkcher Reply #60 - Feb 4^th, 2014 at 12:40pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 12:23am: Nah, no way you come ahead of the guy hosting the forums. He doesn't count, he is a given.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged monkcher Reply #61 - Feb 4^th, 2014 at 12:41pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 12:29am: I find it obnoxious in build threads. There's about 100 other places to troll for fun or whatever. But, whatever. I value Munk's opinion only because he clearly is a builder. Not enough to pander or let him push me around or tell me I'm wrong when I'm not, but somewhere deep down I give a small shit. Most of the other people in this forum just sit the fuck around waiting for handouts on builds and exploits and I treat them like the bottom sucking feeders they are. Sue me. Anyway, if anyone actually wants anymore info on BF Monkchers from someone who like, actually has one and plays it at endgame, let me know. I'll be lurking. That has always been the case in D&D in every form. Sad times.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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NOTSunnyshadow Out of Order Offline Kobold remember waterworks! Posts: 2193 Joined: Jan 24^th, 2014	Re: Bladeforged monkcher Reply #62 - Feb 4^th, 2014 at 1:50pm	Print Post
	dang it. The thread ended before I finished my snack. So... in summary... BF monkchers are awesome. Any word on Morninglord monkchers? Just to be different.

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NOTdarth Puppy Farmer Offline Save the Planet, Kill Yourself Posts: 1495 Joined: Oct 15^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged monkcher Reply #63 - Feb 4^th, 2014 at 6:36pm	Print Post
	Your mom loves my Morningload.


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kierg10 Shroud Slacker Offline Cuddly wuddly cats Posts: 1039 Joined: Feb 8^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged monkcher Reply #64 - Feb 7^th, 2014 at 6:23pm	Print Post
	for monkcher what would be a good amount of wisdom to have? like how much would you need to function well in EEs.... I'm thinking mid 40s, but should it be higher?

	Terebinthia wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 9:26pm: the Wayward Lobster is a retard petting zoo.
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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged monkcher Reply #65 - Feb 7^th, 2014 at 10:20pm	Print Post
	Pretty much as high as you can get it once you qualify for OC and CA. Depends on your tomes really.


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kierg10 Shroud Slacker Offline Cuddly wuddly cats Posts: 1039 Joined: Feb 8^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged monkcher Reply #66 - Feb 8^th, 2014 at 8:11am	Print Post
	right, I was thinking 16 base+4 lvls+4 tome+10 item+3 insight+1 exc+2 ship+2 enh+2 acute instincts=44+2 if i get yugo pots+1 (5 wis tome)+1 (if I get ee shadowsight goggles)=48+2 more enhancements=50?

	Terebinthia wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 9:26pm: the Wayward Lobster is a retard petting zoo.
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4339 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Bladeforged monkcher Reply #67 - Feb 8^th, 2014 at 3:08pm	Print Post
	it's best to think of it as 42= minimum, but the more the better.

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kierg10 Shroud Slacker Offline Cuddly wuddly cats Posts: 1039 Joined: Feb 8^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged monkcher Reply #68 - Feb 8^th, 2014 at 5:01pm	Print Post
	good point.....gotta get that 2% chance for a 4th arrow Well according to the formula on the wiki.......which I have no idea how accurate it is. But still, thx.....gonna go with the flow and see what I wanna tr into when I get to 20, but this human (maybe elf, depends on feats/enhancements) monk 12 r 6 fvs 2 is one of my top choices.....

	Terebinthia wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 9:26pm: the Wayward Lobster is a retard petting zoo.
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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged monkcher Reply #69 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 8:16am	Print Post
	Its more about getting more 2 and 3 arrow shots than the negligible bonus to a 4th, but its nice when it shows up


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kierg10 Shroud Slacker Offline Cuddly wuddly cats Posts: 1039 Joined: Feb 8^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged monkcher Reply #70 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 3:36pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 8:16am: Its more about getting more 2 and 3 arrow shots than the negligible bonus to a 4th, but its nice when it shows up true...the thing i really like about monkcher is that even my gimp as shit helf ranger 11 monk 9 AA can get enough damage to mow down enemies, and he doesn't even have any gear in 4 of his gear slots, and probably has like 30 items total on him.

	Terebinthia wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 9:26pm: the Wayward Lobster is a retard petting zoo.
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froggy Stormreaver Piker Offline LUDICROUS SPEED GO!!!!!!! Posts: 539 Location: Georgia Joined: Dec 2^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged monkcher Reply #71 - Feb 15^th, 2014 at 7:16am	Print Post
	cdr wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 10:31pm: If you're going to splash paladin, go 2 and man up about losing the twist. 4 paladin is pretty worthless. 4 pally gives you the turn undead feat so you wont have to twist in bane of undeath anymore and save a slot. only con is that the divine might costs a lot of AP which could be very usefull in other areas

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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Bladeforged monkcher Reply #72 - Feb 16^th, 2014 at 12:42am	Print Post
	Yeah i don't know why people keep saying a free twist is useless, though if you have epic completionist which is a lot of work then its less valuable.


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4339 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Bladeforged monkcher Reply #73 - Feb 16^th, 2014 at 1:24am	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Feb 16^th, 2014 at 12:42am: Yeah i don't know why people keep saying a free twist is useless, though if you have epic completionist which is a lot of work then its less valuable. I think a free twist is awesome. The reason I prefer 2fvs is I value the saved ap, and the free feat (master of forms), 5% movement speed and abundant step more than the pally saves
	« Last Edit: Feb 16^th, 2014 at 1:25am by Munkenmo »
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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Bladeforged monkcher Reply #74 - Feb 16^th, 2014 at 3:25am	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Feb 16^th, 2014 at 12:42am: Yeah i don't know why people keep saying a free twist is useless, though if you have epic completionist which is a lot of work then its less valuable. I feel many undervalue twists. They are kind of like feats or just miles better. No fail fort or will as tier 1 in arcane sphere for example do more than the epic feats would. Bladeforged save Brace and Cocoon slot over most other builds so prolly should just make all my characters into one.

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