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Vissarion DQ Assaulter Offline Posts: 493 Joined: Jul 23^rd, 2010 Gender:	Re: 2/18 rogue bard swashbuckler with crowd control Reply #25 - Jun 19^th, 2014 at 12:23pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 5:40am: yes Balizarde is giving 13-20/ Thunderforged is 15-20. tested w mutineers blade which also has expanded crit range. Balizarde is 15-20 w keen, 17-20 w/o keen. same as mutineers. With swshbuckler and imp crit balizarde comes out to 13-20 x4. upgraded over its base of 17-20 x3 and 1d8s instead of 1d6s Are you certain you're not just seeing the Balizarde tooltip with a stack of Expose Weakness from Swashbuckler? My Balizarde is showing 15-20 x4 with Swashbuckler without any stacks, but it regularly increases in the tooltip if I have any lingering stacks of Expose Weakness. In any case, 18-20 crit range becomes 15-20 with IC or Keen. 3 numbers to crit on becomes 6. Mutineer's starts at 17-20 and becomes 13-20 with IC.

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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: 2/18 rogue bard swashbuckler with crowd control Reply #26 - Jun 19^th, 2014 at 12:24pm	Print Post
	Vissarion wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 12:23pm: Are you certain you're not just seeing the Balizarde tooltip with a stack of Expose Weakness from Swashbuckler? My Balizarde is showing 15-20 x4 with Swashbuckler without any stacks, but it regularly increases in the tooltip if I have any lingering stacks of Expose Weakness. In any case, 18-20 crit range becomes 15-20 with IC or Keen. 3 numbers to crit on becomes 6. Mutineer's starts at 17-20 and becomes 13-20 with IC. I assumed balizarde would be 17-20 without keen. same as mutineers. if so then only mutineers gives 13-20

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Vissarion DQ Assaulter Offline Posts: 493 Joined: Jul 23^rd, 2010 Gender:	Re: 2/18 rogue bard swashbuckler with crowd control Reply #27 - Jun 19^th, 2014 at 3:04pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 12:24pm: I assumed balizarde would be 17-20 without keen. same as mutineers. if so then only mutineers gives 13-20 Yep, though the Devourer's Reaping sickle gives 13-20 as well for a swashbuckler using slashing weapons. I'm almost halfway tempted with its 14% doublestrike and PSWF giving it a 19-20 range for greater vorpal.

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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: 2/18 rogue bard swashbuckler with crowd control Reply #28 - Jun 19^th, 2014 at 3:16pm	Print Post
	I was thinking the exact same thing after a friend looted it in Ghost of a chance. That Doublestrike and ~ 20 dmg per hit is no joke.


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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: 2/18 rogue bard swashbuckler with crowd control Reply #29 - Jun 19^th, 2014 at 3:24pm	Print Post
	Holy Shite that thing is an EPIC offhand for a thrower build


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Vissarion DQ Assaulter Offline Posts: 493 Joined: Jul 23^rd, 2010 Gender:	Re: 2/18 rogue bard swashbuckler with crowd control Reply #30 - Jun 19^th, 2014 at 3:35pm	Print Post
	harharharhar wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 3:24pm: Holy Shite that thing is an EPIC offhand for a thrower build Does offhand vorpal work on a thrower, or do you just mean for 14% double strike and a red slot?

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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: 2/18 rogue bard swashbuckler with crowd control Reply #31 - Jun 19^th, 2014 at 4:16pm	Print Post
	the latter


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: 2/18 rogue bard swashbuckler with crowd control Reply #32 - Jun 21^st, 2014 at 2:20pm	Print Post
	Vissarion wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 3:04pm: Yep, though the Devourer's Reaping sickle gives 13-20 as well for a swashbuckler using slashing weapons. I'm almost halfway tempted with its 14% doublestrike and PSWF giving it a 19-20 range for greater vorpal. Have you tested Balizarde? Friend of mine doing a swashbuckler build and says he gets 13-20 x4 on balizarde. i cant confirm it.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Vissarion DQ Assaulter Offline Posts: 493 Joined: Jul 23^rd, 2010 Gender:	Re: 2/18 rogue bard swashbuckler with crowd control Reply #33 - Jun 21^st, 2014 at 3:13pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 2:20pm: Have you tested Balizarde? Friend of mine doing a swashbuckler build and says he gets 13-20 x4 on balizarde. i cant confirm it. I can test it a bit later, though I'll have to drop expose weakness to avoid conflicting evidence.

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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: 2/18 rogue bard swashbuckler with crowd control Reply #34 - Jun 21^st, 2014 at 3:39pm	Print Post
	does the 19-20 vorpal work with a thrower if you have no off-hand equipped?


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Vissarion DQ Assaulter Offline Posts: 493 Joined: Jul 23^rd, 2010 Gender:	Re: 2/18 rogue bard swashbuckler with crowd control Reply #35 - Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:42am	Print Post
	While running epic Devil Assault, I noted several times rolling a 14 without getting a critical hit on my Balizarde.

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Distributed Abbot Raider Offline Posts: 855 Joined: Oct 4^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: 2/18 rogue bard swashbuckler with crowd control Reply #36 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 10:25pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Jun 14^th, 2014 at 1:59am: Too many bard levels, not enough rogue levels, not enough fighter levels: http://i.imgur.com/vLBcwEh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/fFmFy5w.jpg I ended up spending 1more ap on assasins second core ability to get Dex for damage from there. Swash Buckler Enhancements[34 points] 1 core 1 1 core 2 1 core 3 Tier 1 3 on your toes (+3 dodge) 3 Tavern Shanties (+3 songs) Tier 2 2 deflect arrows 2 Fast Movement 2 Sword Dance 4 Double Strike Tier 3 2 elegant footwork 1 Skirmisher 6 Resonant arms Tier 4 1 low blow 2 Battering Barrage Tier 5 1 coup de grace 2 exploit weakness 34 AP Total *edit, god i wish i could figure out how to do tables easily on these fucking forums. Just wanted to say that the split ended up being pretty damn good. I did modify quite a few things though but it's been fun. Good defenses and dps, nice to have 124prr and still being able to dish out some damage.


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: 2/18 rogue bard swashbuckler with crowd control Reply #37 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 10:46pm	Print Post
	Distributed wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 10:25pm: I did modify quite a few things though but it's been fun. Would you mind letting me know what you changed?

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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: 2/18 rogue bard swashbuckler with crowd control Reply #38 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 10:58pm	Print Post
	Deflect Arrows isnt working for Swashbuckler. Have not seen it proc even once yet in the 2 weeks it has been out on my build I took more APS in Swash tree than you guys. spent 41 aps. Link to enhance tree : http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1400533305/72#72

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Distributed Abbot Raider Offline Posts: 855 Joined: Oct 4^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: 2/18 rogue bard swashbuckler with crowd control Reply #39 - Jun 25^th, 2014 at 11:30pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 10:46pm: Would you mind letting me know what you changed? Full STR, no DEX. More INT for lots of skills + Insightful Reflexes. Also took Force of Personality. Did not take Sap/Bulwark/Emp Heal (using my stacks of card healing potions). Took Blinding Speed cause I'm lazy and one buff that last 1:24 is enough. Did not put anything in Spellsinger, took Sprint Boost in Warchanter. Put more points in Stalwart to remove the speed penalty from stance. Went IC: Pierce, Celestia is the only weapon I had available and I know I'll TR out of it sooner or later so no point crafting anything Thunderforged or whatever else. Noticed you were talking about Dreadnought for it on another thread, I went Crusader. Right now, with random AH gear(stats not even maxed out) and a few named pieces the build has: 124prr/45% atk speed/35% doublestrike/1087hp/27% dodge. Does close to 100 damage on first number and crits on 13-20. Coup de grace is at like, 65-84dc and I could get 11 more perform from an item or 6 from an augment and cha isn't maxed either.


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: 2/18 rogue bard swashbuckler with crowd control Reply #40 - Jun 26^th, 2014 at 12:09am	Print Post
	Distributed wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 11:30pm: Full STR, no DEX. More INT for lots of skills + Insightful Reflexes. Makes sense, I'd been considering that for a while. I was under the impression ranged mattered in the new raids Distributed wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 11:30pm: Dreadnought for it on another thread, I went Crusader. Yeah with the bonuses dreadnought would give to a thunderforged hand axe I think you'd be hard pressed to beat it. When I was looking into a sword build taking insightful reflexes, I ended up going with PDK. They're fugly, but cormaryian training really rewarded pushing for a large charisma score.� It also opened up the option to twist in a useful energy burst / soundburst. Thanks for the insight, I need and appreciate it.
	« Last Edit: Jun 26^th, 2014 at 12:09am by Munkenmo »
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Distributed Abbot Raider Offline Posts: 855 Joined: Oct 4^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: 2/18 rogue bard swashbuckler with crowd control Reply #41 - Jun 26^th, 2014 at 12:23am	Print Post
	PDK + CHA would most likely be a good choice, I thought about it but stuck on Shadar-kai for PL. LD I am certain would be great, but I just despise running it. Too much button spamming and Blitz pisses me off in so many quests. Crusader turned out to be a quite decent melee destiny. In the current state of it, I think soundburst wouldn't be all that useful. With Celestia and Admiral's Tiller I blind and daze anything on a crit, that are 13-20 with 45/75% attack speed. Barely ever get a hit landed on me by anything trash that could be affected by soundburst. Also that daze works on anything not red named afaik Also, force of personality I took over OC, will save just felt low with average gear but I'm sure it would be worth swapping back with a good gearset.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: 2/18 rogue bard swashbuckler with crowd control Reply #42 - Jun 26^th, 2014 at 1:03am	Print Post
	Distributed wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 12:23am: Also, force of personality I took over OC, will save just felt low with average gear but I'm sure it would be worth swapping back with a good gearset. How high is your charisma? I thought about taking the will save boost too, but couldn't really justify taking only a +4 increase on an already mediocre save number. Mine is 30 with a 10 item, and a pot. Not worth it to me. Although If i got a good 10 resistance rand gen item Force Personality would bring me to at best low 50s on will save? Perform is like 78 with GH so my dc is almost no fail in storm horns. Charisma was non issue ever. What str are you getting? Dex based Im breaking 65 fully buffed and geared. Distributed wrote on Jun 25^th, 2014 at 11:30pm: 124prr/45% atk speed/35% doublestrike/1087hp/27% dodge. Nice PRR. Not in defender stance I can hit 80 at best with current gear set up. Sheltering Ring, and Parry hamp 20 bracers over Shadowraid bracers. HPs over 1100 buffed. My doublestrike is lower at 32 without a item. 40 with the bracers or 42 with the shadowraid belt. Could also swap out imp evasion or defensive roll for another 3 in opportunist, but Im not lacking in dps. Dodge 27 with kobold Tiller. Considering wearing FoT trinket and swapping Tiller for Epix Swashbuckler. Distributed wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 12:23am: Also that daze works on anything not red named afaik Yes.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Distributed Abbot Raider Offline Posts: 855 Joined: Oct 4^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: 2/18 rogue bard swashbuckler with crowd control Reply #43 - Jun 26^th, 2014 at 1:22am	Print Post
	Not logged on to check all numbers right now but basically, I have nothing higher than +8 stats right now and no insightful stats at all. I'm at 30cha right now I think, but since it's used for other things on the build I figured why not get force of personality instead of slotting wisdom gear/using build points that will only help the will and not much else. I think my save is around 40-43 with GH and ship buffs. Pretty sure I only have a +7 resist item also. So +3 from item and more from missing cha score. Always worth getting saves as high as possible IMO. I'm currently at 52str, with those crappy items. I actually only have permanent 25% doublestrike, but running crusader I get those doublestrike stacks everytime I crit so meh, I pretty much permanently have it stacked to 10 which gives me 35%. Doesn't take long to get with that crit range. Killer has been teasing me from assassin tree though...would be even better with that but I just don't have the points for it


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: 2/18 rogue bard swashbuckler with crowd control Reply #44 - Jun 26^th, 2014 at 1:42am	Print Post
	Distributed wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 1:22am: Doesn't take long to get with that crit range. Killer has been teasing me from assassin tree though...would be even better with that but I just don't have the points for it� Points are rough for me. 41 in Swash, 26 in acrobat. Im wearing the new Mitts as my resistance 7 item. Wearing 10 health 10 seeker belt. I could swap it out and go to bit over 1k hp buffed. But then would need seeker item. Dodge is 27 but fully 32 i dont have anything to break the cap of 27 however. Sheild Mastery line and Legendary Mastery twist give me my hgih doublestrike with a buckler. Im stacking everything I can to get that mentioned will save to even hit 50s. Im talking boutwith Force of Personality included, Resistance 10 item greensteel 3, parry 4, brace past life x3, brace impact twist 2, gh 4, insight will 2, exceptional 1, augment 8- infi colorless slots always it seems. Only problems i have encountered are sometimes stuns, and will spells like otto's ugh
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	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: 2/18 rogue bard swashbuckler with crowd control Reply #45 - Jun 26^th, 2014 at 1:59am	Print Post
	After running with Dis a bit the other night (and getting my rogue back into all his good gear @ level 27 and deciding he could be mostly done) I decided to finally TR my bard into a swash. I took a different split. Original plan was 9bard/6 fighter/5 rogue. I believe I will instead be taking 10th bard for ddoor + fom, and losing 1d6 sneak from rogue. I feel it's a worthwhile tradeoff. She is a shadar-kai because I don't want another PDK. Pretty sure she has at least 1 raider's box unopened. Maybe 2. Plus she has 2x epic eyld edges and some other bardly stuff and misc rapiers. Although I may switch out to the 3bc sickle. It's pretty sick. rimshot
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: 2/18 rogue bard swashbuckler with crowd control Reply #46 - Jun 26^th, 2014 at 2:06am	Print Post
	rest wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 1:59am: Original plan was 9bard/6 fighter/5 rogue. I believe I will instead be taking 10th bard for ddoor + fom, and losing 1d6 sneak from rogue. I feel it's a worthwhile tradeoff. She is a shadar-kai because I don't want another PDK. Are you going str or dex based? What feats will you change given you lose the human bonus slot?

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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: 2/18 rogue bard swashbuckler with crowd control Reply #47 - Jun 26^th, 2014 at 7:09pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 2:06am: Are you going str or dex based?� What feats will you change given you lose the human bonus slot? STR based. Feats so far @ level 15(in no particular order) SWF PA Cleave Extend Great Cleave iSWF imp crit pie shield mastery future feats: gSWF improved shield mastery o crit pSWF


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