Probably a retarded idea.

Drow too.

I'm wondering if this could be feasible or if I'd be stretching the toon too thin even with a 36 point build. I would just be leveling to TR so I wouldn't spend too much time in Epic content.

I'm thinking of starting off something like this with the drow venom and shortsword enhancements along with the buckler and char to hit swashbuckler enhancements.

I'm too lazy to plan the toon properly because I usually just wing this shit so this is as far as I got :

Level 1 Neutral Good Drow Male
(1 Rogue)
Hit Points: 36
Spell Points: 0
BAB: 0
Fortitude: 2
Reflex: 5
Will: 0

[B]                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
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[COLOR=navy]Strength             10                 10                   10
Dexterity            17                 17                   17
Constitution         14                 14                   14
Intelligence         14                 14                   14
Wisdom               10                 10                   10
Charisma             16                 16                   16[/COLOR]

[B][U]Tomes Used[/U][/B]
[COLOR=navy]+3 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
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[B]                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
[U]Skills[/U]           [U](Level 1)[/U]            [U](Level 1)[/U][/B]
[COLOR=navy]Balance               7                     7
Bluff                 7                     7
Concentration         2                     2
Diplomacy             3                     3
Disable Device        6                     6
Haggle                7                     7
Heal                  0                     0
Hide                  3                     3
Intimidate            3                     3
Jump                  4                     4
Listen                0                     2
Move Silently         3                     3
Open Lock             7                     7
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     2
Search                6                     8
Spellcraft            2                     2
Spot                  4                     6
Swim                  0                     0
Tumble                7                     7
Use Magic Device      7                     7
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[B][U]Level 1 (Rogue)[/U][/B]
[COLOR=dodgerblue]Feat: [/COLOR][COLOR=navy](Past Life) Past Life: Cleric[/COLOR]
[COLOR=dodgerblue]Feat: [/COLOR][COLOR=navy](Past Life) Past Life: Ranger[/COLOR]
[COLOR=dodgerblue]Feat: [/COLOR][COLOR=navy](Selected) Toughness[/COLOR]


 

Munk, where did you spend the APs for Swashbuckler?

Also, why the SWF feats? It appears you will be using a shield by virtue of the fact you're taking the Shield Mastery feats. AFAIK, SWF will not work with shields.

Arkat wrote on Jun 14^th, 2014 at 10:48am:


Ill break it down later, 34ap nets a lot of goodies in swasbuckler though.

Swf is for when I want outright dps + it works with a buckler thanks to the skirmisher enahcnement.

Shield mastery + fighter defensive stance + a buckler gives decent double strike and knocks down enemies on vorpal attacks, couple it with sap and its decent coup de gras cc

Munkenmo wrote on Jun 14^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

You won't need Sap because Low Blow is a knockdown using Perform. 18 seconds cooldown costs 10 sp. Nothing in game is saving versus a perform based DC for knockdowns. The E3BC Kobold Buckler gives auto saps on crits that can be cleaved for AoE. http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Kobold_Admiral%27s_Tiller

Frees up a feat. There is also 20% chance on being missed for a no save knockdown built in.  I'm playing my Swashbuckler for past 2 days and It's impossible to get outnumbered between the already mentioned CC and fascinate with DCs 76-95 easily.

Arkat wrote on Jun 14^th, 2014 at 10:48am:


It is working if you take Skirmisher from Swashbuckler tree. Lets you have buckler and swf benefits.

honestly I fear that the natural balance will be upset because bard players are having a ball for a change, so the nerf bat is just around the corner...

Munkenmo wrote on Jun 14^th, 2014 at 1:59am:


Wanted to try Swashbuckler for fun on my next iconic(shadarkai) so, questions.

Tested on a quick iconic and I was getting skirmisher and SWF bonuses from just having a handaxe without weapon finesse.

Did you pick it up for the finesseable weapon requirement in Swashbuckler? Or for something else? Can't think of anything on feat list that requires dex if not. Or anything in LD. Would probably lower it in favor of other stats.

Also, 10/6/4? -2 sneak but, fom/ddoor/+1 courage/longer spells. Would say 12 even but I have my eyes on killer enh.

Distributed wrote on Jun 14^th, 2014 at 10:23pm:


I took finesse as I envision the build as dex based, you could easily drop finesse and go str based, it would definately be an improvement in melee dps.

The build has weak ranged capabilities though, I'll be relying on shuriken expertise ergo my dex score for ranged damage, I'm not certain where the saves will land, but I think the reflex could end up being EE viable. 

You could go for more bard levels, but with the attack speeds SWF provides, giving up 2d6 sneak is quite significant, fom & ddoor are compelling, but given the new BTA fom boots not as much as they once were, + shadowdancer actually offers alot for this build for the times you've gotta have a ddoor.

Distributed wrote on Jun 14^th, 2014 at 11:18pm:


Actually I need to tidy that build up, i forgot it was human when i first posted it, I moved onto drow.

For TR'ing/ETR'ing i'd definately go human drop empower heal for passage, and probably finesse for insightful.

Distributed wrote on Jun 14^th, 2014 at 11:39pm:


I hate shadarkai, such a shitty race, I updated the post above with enhancements if it helps any

Stupid question... 16 STR is only for OC, am I right?

balizarde and is giving 13-20 x4 on swashbuckler w imp crit. now i just need to reflag for citw and mebbe get lucky

Munkenmo wrote on Jun 18^th, 2014 at 9:01pm:

yes Balizarde is giving 13-20/ Thunderforged is 15-20.

tested w mutineers blade which also has expanded crit range.

Balizarde is 15-20 w keen, 17-20 w/o keen. same as mutineers. With swshbuckler and imp crit balizarde comes out to 13-20 x4. upgraded over its base of 17-20 x3 and 1d8s instead of 1d6s

Munkenmo wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 6:50am:

no clue, Munk/ i dont have any handaxes. but my rapiers are wonky 

oh, and i am in LD no threat expanding in my ED either, im sure it's a bug but i tested on dummy to see.