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Jul 8th, 2014 at 2:53pm
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So my sharp eyed running partner spotted this little gem from Severlin (emphasis mine)

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/445008-Its-time-to-un-nerf-THF/page4#p...

"Shield Bash isn't hitting an animation cap per se, rather there is a deliberate 1.0 second internal cooldown on Shield Bash attacks. When we remove the 1.0 cooldown the animations are choppy and look really bad at higher speeds.

The new Vanguard tree is being balanced with that 1.0 second cooldown taken into account. Yes, that means secondary Shield Bash attacks have to hit hard to compensate for the internal cooldown.

Sev~"

Wonder what that is all about? There is a 3.5e Vanguard class, which I'm hoping it's not, because I don't know about you but I'm not chomping at the bit for a tank class:

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Vanguard_(3.5e_Class)

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Reply #1 - Jul 8th, 2014 at 3:05pm
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Champing.
  

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Chafing
  

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right in the pussy!
  

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Rubbinns wrote on Jul 8th, 2014 at 3:20pm:
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You say tomato, I say tomato. Tongue

But seriously, anyone got any sensible thoughts?
  
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Terebinthia wrote on Jul 8th, 2014 at 3:50pm:
You say tomato, I say tomato. Tongue

But seriously, anyone got any sensible thoughts?

Yes, those are the same two words.

  

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"Shield Bash isn't hitting an animation cap per se, rather there is a deliberate 1.0 second internal cooldown on Shield Bash attacks. When we remove the 1.0 cooldown the animations are choppy and look really bad at higher speeds.


Ive fucking told people that for years.
  
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Reply #10 - Jul 8th, 2014 at 7:36pm
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Terebinthia wrote on Jul 8th, 2014 at 2:53pm:
The new Vanguard tree is being balanced with that 1.0 second cooldown taken into account. Yes, that means secondary Shield Bash attacks have to hit hard to compensate for the internal cooldown.

Sev~"

Wonder what that is all about? There is a 3.5e Vanguard class, which I'm hoping it's not, because I don't know about you but I'm not chomping at the bit for a tank class:

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Vanguard_(3.5e_Class)

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He does say tree, so that is not necessarily a new class.  It could be a tree for one of the melee classes (probably Pally)?

Either way, not sure why they would do this.
DDO doesn't really need tank specialists, and people get by with the existing options on the few occasions that they do.  And tbh, turtling isn't a particularly fun or effective way to play.

Have to wait and see what it looks like, but again, I think they're missing the bigger picture. 
If it is a new class (which I could be so they could monetise it), then they really have no clue - we don't need new classes before they complete and balance the existing class and racial PRE's.
  
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Reply #11 - Jul 8th, 2014 at 7:43pm
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Only new class worth introducing would be Warlock. Everything else is pretty much here already.
  

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Maybe, but I still wouldn't put it ahead of finishing and fixing the existing classes.
I don't struggle for choice when I make a toon these days.
  
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Reply #13 - Jul 8th, 2014 at 8:05pm
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The 1 sec timer on shieldbash means that all those +x% chance to shield bash effects are even stupider when you see them.
  
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NOTdarth wrote on Jul 8th, 2014 at 7:43pm:
Only new class worth introducing would be Warlock.


Yeah, that's a niche that really needs filling: a character that progresses solely by spamming a small number of SLA's.  We don't have any of those.   Roll Eyes

Seriously, that ship has sailed: Warlock would be a complete nonsense in DDO now you get SLA's free with every purchase of a blue bar.  There's no meaningful distinction between them and any arcane caster, other than "less flexibility".

Swordsage and/or Warblade would definitely have possibilities though, in the incredibly unlikely event they hired someone with the creativity and talent to convert them over to DDO properly. 

Fuck all that noise anyway, I want Shifters.
  

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Reply #15 - Jul 8th, 2014 at 8:43pm
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We will see Marshal or Dragon Shaman before we see Warlock.
  
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I hope they do gnomes before any of the class/tree stuff.
  

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Reply #17 - Jul 9th, 2014 at 1:44am
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Noooo!!!
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If they add a new race, it should be a wisdom based race.
  
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It's an Enhancement Tree. That's the only thing I'm allowed to say.

  

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Flav wrote on Jul 9th, 2014 at 3:11am:
It's an Enhancement Tree. That's the only thing I'm allowed to say.


  
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Flav wrote on Jul 9th, 2014 at 3:11am:
It's an Enhancement Tree. That's the only thing I'm allowed to say.



Cool. Please poke them with sticks hard if they have any daft ideas about people paying lots of wonga for a tanking class Smiley
  
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Reply #21 - Jul 9th, 2014 at 5:13am
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Wait, there was a mystery about it being a new tree?
Post from a month ago

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~ We plan to introduce two new trees for shield use. The Vanguard tree will be focused on DPS while using a weapon and shield. This DPS will come from a combination of weapon damage and shield bashes. The Shieldbearer tree will be a mitigation tree that will focus on heavy armor and shield. This will also offer ways to counter enemies with active mitigation such as stuns, knock downs, and the like. These trees would be available to Fighter, Paladin and perhaps even a new class that supported heavy armor and martial abilities.


Since then, they decided to scrap the Shieldbearer, but Vanguard is still being designed.
  
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Laraeph wrote on Jul 9th, 2014 at 5:13am:
These trees would be available to Fighter, Paladin and perhaps even a new class that supported heavy armor and martial abilities.



Hmmm...  What are the odds that we'll get the least-exciting class from the Tome of Battle?  That sounds awfully like the Crusader base class to me  :/
  

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Persiflage wrote on Jul 9th, 2014 at 5:53am:
Hmmm...  What are the odds that we'll get the least-exciting class from the Tome of Battle?  That sounds awfully like the Crusader base class to me  :/


Probably pretty high, given it's the last thing we actually need.  Another melee class - yay!  Oh I can't wait to crack open my wallet for that one... 
How much of a tin ear do these Turdbine people have Undecided?

  
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Reply #24 - Jul 9th, 2014 at 6:17am
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Laraeph wrote on Jul 9th, 2014 at 5:13am:
Wait, there was a mystery about it being a new tree?
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Since then, they decided to scrap the Shieldbearer, but Vanguard is still being designed.


There nothing saying that Shieldbearer was scrapped... just that it wasn't going to be in Paladins and Fighter Trees.
  

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