Halfling
12Artificer/5Rogue/3Monk
Primary Destiny: Divine Crusader/Shiradi

Feats Level order is: 1 Rogue/3 Monk/12 Arty/4 Rogue
Heroic:
1. PA
2. Monk: Shuriken Expertise
3. Cleave Monk: Dodge
6. Extend
8. Arty 4: Point Blank Shot
9. Rapid Shot
12. Precision Arty 8: Precision
15. Quickdraw
16. Arty 12: IPS
18. IC Thrown
Epic:
21.GCleave
24. OC
27.Blinding Speed/Epic Reflex
28.DoubleShot

Sources of DoubleShot
Mechanic Capstone: 10%
DoubleShot Epic PL: 9%
DoubleShot Epic Feat: 10%
DC Epic Moment: ~16% Average (25.5% Average Doubleshot 5/8ths of the time)
Situational
Divine Crusader/Enhancement: 10% (CC Stacks)-15%(off hand bastard sword, First Blood or 14% from Sickle from 3BC)
Killer: 25%

(Average) Totals --
Permanent: 45%
Semi-Permanent: 55% (Celestial Champion with 10 stacks)
Trash Killing: 80% DoubleShot (If you train Killer instead of No Mercy)

Or
Shiradi
Mechanic Capstone: 10%
DoubleShot Epic PL: 9%
DoubleShot Epic Feat: 10%
Enhancement (Devourers Reaping/First Blood): 14%/15% or a little less with 6% Offhand, or Ring, or 8% From Bracers

(Average) Totals --
Permanent: 44%
Option:
Trash Killing: 69% DoubleShot (If you train Killer instead of No Mercy)


Enhancements:
18 Halfling for +1 Crit Threat, 2 Dex, Saves,
33 Mechanic for 10% Doubleshot, 2 Dex, +3 UMD, Wracking Shot, whatever
6   Ninja Spy for T1/T2 Core (extra Shuriken, dex to damage, 2 Dodge)
23 TA Shadow Dodge, 1 Dex
-------
80 AP

Offhand: Glass Cannon, First Blood, Toven's Hammer, etc. LOTS of extra proc damage (20-30 per shuriken)

Armor would be 2d6 SA damage light Shadow Armor if you aren't worried about losing a few Dodge points for the extra SA dice. Otherwise Shadowscale or Cormyrian Red Scale. BlackDragon if you're not using a Dragon's Edge shuriken for some reason and need Armor-Piercing.

Advantages over other shuriken builds:
-15-20 Crits (In Divine Crusader),
-x3 on 19-20 from OC which provides quite a nice Physical damage boost. 
-45% Permanent Doubleshot roughly equivalent for most builds to 10k  (in any Destiny), situationally quite a bit higher in DC or with Killer trained.
-High SA damage (3d6 Rogue, 2d6 Shadow Armor, 2-3D6 Halfling, 2-3D6 Assassin)
-Arty Buffs (Elemental Weapons, Extended Self Cast Tensers or Long Scrolls)
-Increased Buff times from Arty on clickies/scrolls
-Weird healing in Divine Crusader
-Excellent trap skills and UMD
-Ability to use very high damage off hand items like First Blood for 15% Doublestrike, or Glass Cannon or Tovens for ~18-23 Damage/star compared to Celestia at a much lower 6 or 7 damage/star.

Disadvantages from Meteor Shower Rev. 1/2:
-Non Permanent Tensers, but close to it (2:30 per cast extended I think).
-Slightly lower PRR (none from EK tree)
-Slightly lower Dodge due to differing enhancements
-Very slightly lower Dex, moreso in Divine Crusader. In Shiradi it's within a couple points due to ED Dexterity.
-Lower Movement speed (though this is easily made up in Mechanic with Leg Shot which slows all but purple names, which is amazing).

I currently run in Shiradi most of the time, and it is amazing.

Quote:


Your a halfing so it's not too much of an issue, but since your enhancement AP will be tight it's probably worth pointing out that you've gotta keep skillful thrower even when you have a gearset / ED layout that makes Master Thrower redundant.

harharharhar wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 9:20pm:


Could you test offensively uncentered aswell?  I'll update the wiki once you do.

sorry the above confirms ANT and SE work uncenetered with Double shot (4 projectiles)

Below I've SS'd a pic of Balizarde equipped and dex to damage

So now help me work through which two would be ideal out of:
-Perm 10% Double shot
-6 Dex/3% Dodge
-25% Doubleshot from Killer

60 Dex / 50% Doubleshot (Killer and Rapid Fire)
1.00
.60
.60
.50
-----
2.7

66 Dex / 40% Doubleshot (Killer and Shadowdodge)
1.00
.66
.66
.40
-----
2.72
or
2.97 with 4 stacks of Killer.

66 Dex / 50% Doubleshot (Shadow Dodge and Rapid Fire)

1.00
.66
.66
.50
-----
2.82

.12/2.7=4.4% Total Permanent increase if I lose Killer.

Killer makes about a 5.5% increase, when it's at full stacks.

Looks like ditching killer is probably the best DPS, over all-time, including bosses where it's probably difficult to maintain.

harharharhar wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 9:36pm:


I tested a bit on iconics and lvl 7 halfling (3 mnk 3 rog 1 w/e), 1st and 2nd cores from ninja spy taken, using plain non returning shurikens.

Without skillful thrower and uncentered:
Shurikens were flagged as STR to damage, damage figures confirmed this.

With skillful thrower and uncentered:
Shurikens were flagged as DEX/STR for damage, damage figures confirmed that DEX was applied. Also got three shurikens in one shot, so ANT seems to work all right.
It is pretty glitchy as well, seems enabling/disabling skillful thrower makes the last damage mod stick to the current stack of shurikens.
That dex to dmg while uncentered, in your screenshot, might be the result of this stacking, if you reset skillful thrower just before.

Unfortunately I didn't had a returning shuriken handy to make some tests with it.

Limpgimp wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2014 at 10:28am:


I have no idea what you experienced, or why. I've consistently seen what is shown above in the screenshots. In playing, I'm certain I'm getting dex damage, I would notice the drop in damage if not.

I will take another look over the next couple days to be sure though. Thanks.

Interesting, will have to test more. Maybe the non returning shurikens caused the problems for me.

So, my fuck 10k let's just get doubleshot idea from way back is finally viable? 

I just remember the idea not going through so well in my shuriken thread haha.

Good to know it's finally an option, haven't put any thought into any builds since I'm back on the TR train.

I tried on Lama awhile back a Bard thrower mixed with Arty and found the Glass Cannon wasn't transferring the bludgeon DR bypass effect like it should have with TF shuriken. Is that still the case?

Also if I am reading this right the Doublestrike effect off of Firstblood is giving you the equivalent bonus for Doubleshot as an offhand weapon on your shuriken? Or am I reading that wrong?

The Glass Cannon at tier 3 has Exploding Cannon Shot, Maximum Charge Tier V, Rune Arm Imbue: Bludgeon V, Rune Arm Imbue: Fire V, Fortification Penalty (-25%), Impulse +120, Yellow Augment Slot

I had originally hoped that the Rune Arm Imbue: Bludgeon V which is defined as 2-16 points of Bludgeon Damage per hit as an imbue along with the 2-20 Fire Damage Imbue. I originally tested this with a tier 2 TF shuriken and the Glass Cannon at tier 3 Swashbuckling I think on round 2 of the u22 Second Pass where much of the Swashbuckling pass was broken. I know that the skeletons in Thunderholme were giving me yellow damage from my throws at the time but I didn't get a chance to test the last Lama set and my chucker on live doesn't have Arty in it for my testing at the moment.

I am not sure if the runearm would be better in the long term DPS wise vs the Doubleshot item offhand but I admit I am intrigued by the possibility.

Synchrono wrote on Jul 26^th, 2014 at 10:39pm:


My calculations with my current damage totals show the Glass Cannon ahead on things that take fire damage.

That's with 11 Deadly, 3 Monk PLs, 74'ish Dex, Seeker 10, 17-20x2 Crit Range, about ~50 SA per hit, and a fully fleshed TF sruiken with 10-60 Fire, Dragons Edge, Mortal Fear, and a Meteoric Ruby.

The nice thing about 14% DS in the offhand is that the sickle has a red slot for devotion. Or eventually as a bard, Sonic SP. I may not have every damage point calculated in my equation though, as all damage rises it would follow that Doubleshot would take over being important as the amount from Glass Cannon becomes proportionally less compared to the total amount of damage/throw.

The reason currently Glass Cannon wins is because Doubleshot only increases the chance of throwing a Third missile, whereas Glass Cannon is adding ~19 damage for all three missiles. That's a big proc per hit.