Rubbinns wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 4:50pm:



go 2 paladin 18 sorc, and use a +20 heart .

10 arti, 8 monk, 2 paladin would get you the past life. There's probably a Pastlifenmo build for that somewhere that does not require +5 hearts.

Personally, since I enjoy playing casters, I am playing my artie lives as a caster. I've bought one repeater, and promptly sold it back (as vendor trash).

As a bladeforged artificer, you could melee go 2 paladin 18 arti, and just keep casting tenser's, and you'll be fine.

For barbarian, what I did was go 9 druid 9 barbarian 2 rogue. I went rogue for the trapskills (instead of the usual 2 monk), because I love rogues. 9 druid for (limited) self heals and reaving roar. My one regret is that I could never quite rage for long. Due to my gameplay style, I usually end up being the default healer. Even as a barbarian.

For paladin, 9 paladin 9 monk 2 fvs would net you some pretty nice dps, improved evasion, stances, and the past life that you want. What I did was go 20 wizard (which was a joy! - I do love playing casters), and used my +20 heart =D.

Munkenmo wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 5:17pm:

I need 2 Shadar lives to get all 3.

Already have 3 PDK. Agreed that BF lives aren't all that useful but I want them anyway for completion sake. And I love playing something that gives up 11AP to have the best healing in the game.

Will not pew pew. Ewww.

I want to swing swords, quarterstaff or monks only. I compromised with Wolf form because it's so good. Loath the 2wf animations with dual wielding. Except that cool little twilr they do with their main hand weapon before swinging it. That's awesome, but not enough to make up for the rest of that.

I was leaning on your druid templates during my Monk, Fighter and Druid lives. Currently doing that for my Ranger life. So I guess I can do that for Barb. If I hurry I can squeeze in 9brb/9drd/2ranger and get the swf/2wf wolf for that too, again, but I'll pass on that for now. I may as well do that for Arty life getting swf feat as 4th lv arty bonus. 9 arty 9 druid 2 ranger, but i want the Bladeforged lives ;p


9 Artificer for Armor of Speed, some Paladin levels, and the rest is a toss up. 5 or so levels of Rogue for staff master?

NOTSunnyshadow wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 5:16pm:


I have  2xWiz, 3xFvs, and one of sorc and cleric lives done. Those were a long time ago, when i started playing around 18~ months ago. And they were used solely to grind out heroic lives because back then that was the thing all the cool kids were doing. I wont be going back to casters for a while.

I can wait until new Paladin pass comes so i dont feel like I am missing out on anything new. Your Barb split is what i was thinking of initially, but if Ranger can still bypass SWF lockout I'll trade Evasion for the 30% speed.

As for the Arty life. I wanted either kensei Keen Edge or Staff Specialization for the crit increase. But the kensei build wont have stances or be centered. So that puts more leverage into Staff Specialization.

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 6:08pm:


I prefer 6monk for earthstance, shadowfade, quick recall.  The 8 rogue is too much of a glass cannon for my liking.

It's about preference and difficulty though, if you're only running EH who gives a fuck about defense.

Narrowed arty life down to 9/6/5.

This set up gets me to 90-ish PRR.

Level 28 Lawful Good Bladeforged Male
(6 Paladin / 5 Rogue / 9 Artificer / 8 Epic)
Hit Points: 404
Spell Points: 1019

BAB: 15/15/20/25/25
Fortitude: 20
Reflex: 17
Will: 15

              Starting    
Abilities    Base Stats   
(36 Point)    (Level 1)      
Strength           16             
Dexterity          10               
Constitution       16               
Intelligence       14                
Wisdom              6               
Charisma           16               

Tomes Used
+4 Int, rest +5

 
Level 1 (Paladin)
Feat: (Deity) Follower of the Lord of Blades 
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack

Level 2 (Paladin)

Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave

Level 4 (Rogue)

Level 5 (Rogue)

Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave

Level 7 (Rogue)

Level 8 (Paladin)

Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting

Level 10 (Paladin)

Level 11 (Paladin)

Level 12 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons

Level 13 (Artificer)

Level 14 (Artificer)

Level 15 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Quicken Spell

Level 16 (Artificer)

Level 17 (Artificer)

Level 18 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting

Level 19 (Artificer)
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Improved Critical Slashing

Level 20 (Artificer)

Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical

Level 22 (Epic)

Level 23 (Epic)

Level 24 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge

Level 25 (Epic)

Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting

Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Damage Reduction

Level 28 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting

thx Monk, I didnt ctach most of these things off hand.

Munkenmo wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 10:49pm:

didnt even notice i did that, im retarded.

Munkenmo wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 10:49pm:


Was mostly for dodge and i guess few points in ref. And needs filler points to get to 30AP anyway. Rather get Haste boost in LD.

Munkenmo wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 10:49pm:
Yeah makes sense I dont need grt resto as BF anyway. I can cover any other debuffs with crimson nightshade pots.

Munkenmo wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 10:49pm:


thanks, didnt know mithral would screw with my dodge. rather get dodge as high as possible and lose out on the 10 prr.. No clue what i wanted for metas and the rest of the arty bonus feats dont entice me either. figured quicken for reduced sla animation. Eschew saves me few inv slots kinda meh.

Munkenmo wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 5:54pm:


Do this. It was surprisingly awesome.

I rolled it a while ago just for the past lives and liked it so much I ran the exact same build through another life.

You get enough feats to take OC, GTHF, and GMoF at the same time.

Ameilorating strike helps a great deal for raging barbs.
I'd consider twf 10 barb, 6 ranger, 4 cleric.

You'll get the benefits of Ameilorating Strike (main hand, off hand, possibly double strike) while having nice boosts to damage (rage, frenzy, ranger duel wielding goodies, haste boost and divine might at epic levels when you can twist bane of undeath) and good defences (warpriest domain, tempest duel wielding prr).

I think it's a pretty good barb pl build though I did my barb lives on completionists toons by the bank 

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 4:50pm:


You've got some options with that,
Option 1. If you've heard of the shurikannikn build you could do 8/6/6 (8 of the past life feat 6monk and then 6 wizard [for ddoor and permatensors])

option 2. Since you have to get bladeforged PLs along with the paladin and artificer and you are wanting a melee build you should go 12pally,6monk, 2fighter levels (go with staff specialization in henshin) and similar to get the arty pastlife. (12arty/6monk then either 2 fighter for feats or 2 pally for moar saves)

But these options aren't worth any value if you have nice exp stones 

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 16^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:


I'd wager that once they nerf down the initial proposal, you'd still be better off as a centered kensai.

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 16^th, 2014 at 11:46pm:


I'd still rather be a centred Kensai weilding an Esos.  Try as I might, I never really enjoyed using staves.

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 1:11am:


Oh really?  That's good to know.