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IMARANGER Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 5034 Joined: Jan 17^th, 2013	Pay to Win Aug 15^th, 2014 at 8:06pm	Print Post
	Yes, DDO has gone with full-on P2W. If you think it's not, you are a dumb loser. Reasonable people can disagree about whether or not the P2W model is a good one, but only unreasonable forumtards and basement dwellers argue that DDO isn't P2W. There are more of those in this thread than there are on the entire DDO Vault: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/446913-Pay-to-quot-win-quot Turbine seems to have done a pretty good job of easing folks into the full-on P2W model. It won't be long before they can sell anything at all in the DDO Store and the game still won't be considered P2W by some of these forumtards.

	OnePercenter wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 5:32pm: I agree with 0bama... OnePercenter wrote on Feb 9^th, 2015 at 8:18am: Not saying that others weren't better, just that quantity does not always indicate quality...� I mean, look at my post count...
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Shadehater Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Smite Stupid! Posts: 2174 Joined: May 6^th, 2012	Re: Pay to Win Reply #1 - Aug 15^th, 2014 at 8:10pm	Print Post
	We agree?! Madness. You are correct ddo is p2w. Everyone who makes the " you have never played a Korean mmo " argument; they don't get it. Just because something is more p2w doesn't make ddo any less so. The question is, is that a good/bad thing?


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Pay to Win Reply #2 - Aug 15^th, 2014 at 8:18pm	Print Post
	IMARANGER wrote on Aug 15^th, 2014 at 8:06pm: It won't be long before they can sell anything at all in the DDO Store and the game still won't be considered P2W by some of these forumtards. Fernando was right. They can pretty much get away with anything and have people on forums defend them. The common one is "someone needs to keep the lights on so my 10k posts on the forums stay forever and i can be a forum stah!"

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4374 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: Pay to Win Reply #3 - Aug 15^th, 2014 at 8:25pm	Print Post
	IMARANGER wrote on Aug 15^th, 2014 at 8:06pm: Yes, DDO has gone with full-on P2W.� If you think it's not, you are a dumb loser.� Reasonable people can disagree about whether or not the P2W model is a good one, but only unreasonable forumtards and basement dwellers argue that DDO isn't P2W.� There are more of those in this thread than there are on the entire DDO Vault: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/446913-Pay-to-quot-win-quot Turbine seems to have done a pretty good job of easing folks into the full-on P2W model.� It won't be long before they can sell anything at all in the DDO Store and the game still won't be considered P2W by some of these forumtards. So let's start this debate off. What is your actual point? That anyone who argues against your strong and immutable point of view is wrong? How does the perceived p2W affect you? Let me know how you win DDO (other than the buttons)? To short circuit your inevitable dismissive argument. I am neither pro or anti P2W. Yes you can buy things from the in game store that make the game easier or more convenient. P2W is a simple derogatory term to imply some condescension toward game purchases that some believe undermine their l33t status of grinding for 4,000 hours to get a token/trophy etc. If the store purchases don't unbalance the game, then I don't care. I buy things when I can, and I play when I can. What Joe neighbour does, does not really affect my enjoyment of the game, so I don't care. I am neither envious or jealous of those that buy their way to "winning" - whatever that may be. I also fail to see why this is such an emotive issue - it's a theoretical discussion with no right or wrong.
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Shadehater Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Smite Stupid! Posts: 2174 Joined: May 6^th, 2012	Re: Pay to Win Reply #4 - Aug 15^th, 2014 at 8:28pm	Print Post
	He did not say he liked or hated it. He was calling a retard a retard. I would say Nice troll attempt but I doubt you actually comprehended the words you read.


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Viktor Vaughn Puppy Farmer Offline Eberron burns Posts: 1561 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2014	Re: Pay to Win Reply #5 - Aug 15^th, 2014 at 8:29pm	Print Post
	Pay to win in pve game.�
	« Last Edit: Aug 15^th, 2014 at 8:29pm by Viktor Vaughn »

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Viktor Vaughn Puppy Farmer Offline Eberron burns Posts: 1561 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2014	Re: Pay to Win Reply #6 - Aug 15^th, 2014 at 8:37pm	Print Post
	Shadehater wrote on Aug 15^th, 2014 at 8:10pm: We agree?!� Madness.� You are correct ddo is p2w.� Everyone who makes the " you have never played a Korean mmo " argument; they don't get it. Just because something is more p2w doesn't make ddo any less so. The question is, is that a good/bad thing? Pve game can never be p2w.


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Shadehater Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Smite Stupid! Posts: 2174 Joined: May 6^th, 2012	Re: Pay to Win Reply #7 - Aug 15^th, 2014 at 8:41pm	Print Post
	I have enough bottom feeders making stupid statements, Ivan. Please see rangers OP for the stock response to that statement


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IMARANGER Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 5034 Joined: Jan 17^th, 2013	Re: Pay to Win Reply #8 - Aug 15^th, 2014 at 8:50pm	Print Post
	Viktor Vaughn wrote on Aug 15^th, 2014 at 8:37pm: Pve game can never be p2w. And I vacuumed up a dumbass. Hi, retard. Welcome.

	OnePercenter wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 5:32pm: I agree with 0bama... OnePercenter wrote on Feb 9^th, 2015 at 8:18am: Not saying that others weren't better, just that quantity does not always indicate quality...� I mean, look at my post count...
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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4374 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: Pay to Win Reply #9 - Aug 15^th, 2014 at 8:52pm	Print Post
	Shadehater wrote on Aug 15^th, 2014 at 8:28pm: He did not say he liked or hated it.� He was calling a retard a retard. I would say Nice troll attempt but I doubt you actually comprehended the words you read. I don't troll. I comprehend quite well thanks. The very first sentence starts off with "if you disagree with me, you're a dumb loser" - which is the troll attempt?

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Shadehater Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Smite Stupid! Posts: 2174 Joined: May 6^th, 2012	Re: Pay to Win Reply #10 - Aug 15^th, 2014 at 8:53pm	Print Post
	I love that drop bear edited his 2 line retard post into a diatribe 20 minutes later.


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IMARANGER Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 5034 Joined: Jan 17^th, 2013	Re: Pay to Win Reply #11 - Aug 15^th, 2014 at 8:55pm	Print Post
	DropBear wrote on Aug 15^th, 2014 at 8:52pm: The very first sentence starts off with "if you disagree with me, you're a dumb loser" Liar, liar, pants on fire.

	OnePercenter wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 5:32pm: I agree with 0bama... OnePercenter wrote on Feb 9^th, 2015 at 8:18am: Not saying that others weren't better, just that quantity does not always indicate quality...� I mean, look at my post count...
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IMARANGER Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 5034 Joined: Jan 17^th, 2013	Re: Pay to Win Reply #12 - Aug 15^th, 2014 at 8:56pm	Print Post
	Shadehater wrote on Aug 15^th, 2014 at 8:53pm: I love that drop bear edited his 2 line retard post into a diatribe 20 minutes later. Yeah, something struck me as funny about that post. I thought it had changed.... Thanks for the confirmation.

	OnePercenter wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 5:32pm: I agree with 0bama... OnePercenter wrote on Feb 9^th, 2015 at 8:18am: Not saying that others weren't better, just that quantity does not always indicate quality...� I mean, look at my post count...
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Shadehater Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Smite Stupid! Posts: 2174 Joined: May 6^th, 2012	Re: Pay to Win Reply #13 - Aug 15^th, 2014 at 8:58pm	Print Post
	DropBear wrote on Aug 15^th, 2014 at 8:52pm: I don't troll. I comprehend quite well thanks. The very first sentence starts off with "if you disagree with me, you're a dumb loser" - which is the troll attempt? You sure you read it? The reason I ask is because the OP gave no indication of whether he liked it or not. Does he approve maybe, but probably not. Either way that isn't the discussion that was started.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Pay to Win Reply #14 - Aug 15^th, 2014 at 9:01pm	Print Post
	Viktor Vaughn wrote on Aug 15^th, 2014 at 8:29pm: Pay to win in pve game. That is because you dont ever win at anything, so

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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mystafyi Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 836 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Pay to Win Reply #15 - Aug 15^th, 2014 at 9:09pm	Print Post
	Viktor Vaughn wrote on Aug 15^th, 2014 at 8:37pm: Pve game can never be p2w. You sir are stating an opinion as fact. If this was a solo game and not an mmo, I could understand and possibly even agree with your statement. Turbine is simply selling the achievements of those that played long ago.


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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4374 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: Pay to Win Reply #16 - Aug 15^th, 2014 at 9:53pm	Print Post
	Shadehater wrote on Aug 15^th, 2014 at 8:53pm: I love that drop bear edited his 2 line retard post into a diatribe 20 minutes later.� Very observant Shade. I posted my initial thoughts and then expanded on them. I actually thought it warranted further explanation. My sentiments did not change, so there is no deception for you to make a fuss out of. I am sorry that it is too much for you to read. Your intellect seems limited to pithy 1 liners most of the time. So my post was retarded in what way? Because it disagrees with your viewpoint? Was the language too complex for you? Oh, there weren't enough swear words and derogatory terms in it, so you couldn't understand it. Sorry.

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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4374 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: Pay to Win Reply #17 - Aug 15^th, 2014 at 9:55pm	Print Post
	IMARANGER wrote on Aug 15^th, 2014 at 8:55pm: Liar, liar, pants on fire. The words are there for all to see. "If you think it's not, you're a dumb loser" What part was I lying about?

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Shadehater Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Smite Stupid! Posts: 2174 Joined: May 6^th, 2012	Re: Pay to Win Reply #18 - Aug 15^th, 2014 at 10:01pm	Print Post
	DropBear wrote on Aug 15^th, 2014 at 9:53pm: Very observant Shade. I posted my initial thoughts and then expanded on them. I actually thought it warranted further explanation. My sentiments did not change, so there is no deception for you to make a fuss out of. I am sorry that it is too much for you to read. Your intellect seems limited to pithy 1 liners most of the time. So my post was retarded in what way?� Because it disagrees with your viewpoint?� Was the language too complex for you? Oh, there weren't enough swear words and derogatory terms in it, so you couldn't understand it.� Sorry. No. Your post isn't retarded because I disagree with it, in fact I hold a very similar opinion as you do. It was retarded because you tried to shift the topic nearly the same way as the motherboard posters do. The discussion of p2w being good or bad wad not the point.


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Fire Foot Ex Member	Re: Pay to Win Reply #19 - Aug 15^th, 2014 at 10:03pm	Print Post
	Shadehater wrote on Aug 15^th, 2014 at 8:28pm: He did not say he liked or hated it.� He was calling a retard a retard. I would say Nice troll attempt but I doubt you actually comprehended the words you read. Oh ho! look out! dropbear Shadenutter will call you riddling soon and ask you to fill that empty void in his soul.... (or butt )


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Fire Foot Ex Member	Re: Pay to Win Reply #20 - Aug 15^th, 2014 at 10:06pm	Print Post
	Shadehater wrote on Aug 15^th, 2014 at 8:53pm: I love that drop bear edited his 2 line retard post into a diatribe 20 minutes later.� Uh oh! love is in the air! Hey Dropbear, just be glad you don't have a pony-tail or shade would be pulling it!


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Fire Foot Ex Member	Re: Pay to Win Reply #21 - Aug 15^th, 2014 at 10:07pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Aug 15^th, 2014 at 9:01pm: That is because you dont ever win at anything, so hmmm new icon has made him dangerously incisive, must remember to avoid...
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IMARANGER Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 5034 Joined: Jan 17^th, 2013	Re: Pay to Win Reply #22 - Aug 15^th, 2014 at 10:10pm	Print Post
	DropBear wrote on Aug 15^th, 2014 at 9:55pm: The words are there for all to see. "If you think it's not, you're a dumb loser" What part was I lying about? Figure it out yourself. If you can't, you're obviously too far gone for anyone to help you.

	OnePercenter wrote on Jan 19^th, 2014 at 5:32pm: I agree with 0bama... OnePercenter wrote on Feb 9^th, 2015 at 8:18am: Not saying that others weren't better, just that quantity does not always indicate quality...� I mean, look at my post count...
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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: Pay to Win Reply #23 - Aug 15^th, 2014 at 10:31pm	Print Post


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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4374 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: Pay to Win Reply #24 - Aug 15^th, 2014 at 10:54pm	Print Post
	Shadehater wrote on Aug 15^th, 2014 at 10:01pm: No.� Your post isn't retarded because I disagree with it, in fact I hold a very similar opinion as you do.� It was retarded because you tried to shift the topic nearly the same way as the motherboard posters do.� The discussion of p2w being good or bad wad not the point. If it appears as though I was trying to subvert the thread, I wasn't and I apologise if it was taken that way. I merely see the argument that DDO is full of P2W. I asked Imaranger to define P2W and how you win DDO. Despite the negative connotations of the term P2W, it is also subjective. From examples given by others in other threads, it seems like DDO is middle of the road - others are far more into compelled store purchases etc. My intent was not to focus on whether P2W (assuming this means in game items available in store) is right or wrong. That others appear to be in denial, is because it is a complex and subjective topic. Not going to rehash any of those arguments, as I really don't care that much about the discussion. My point remains - so what if DDO is full of P2W? How does it affect the individual player?

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