Shadehater wrote on Aug 15^th, 2014 at 11:00pm:


I agree with your sentiments on this and with your examples - they have started to cross a line.
I think options should be available to those who want them, but they should not engineer the game to make the pay option almost obligatory.

That reroll button was really poor implementation.  It came across as deliberately deceptive - particularly given the location and no conformation at the time.

If they ever get the dumb idea to make AS mandatory to do something, they will alienate a large portion of the player base who would find that strategy very unpalatable.

deftest wrote on Aug 16^th, 2014 at 12:06am:



OH MY GOD!!! your Atomic mew aren't you!? ha ha! I caught you! you used the "spewing" and "vitreol" in a post again see!?

Ha ha! caught!

Boy I am one smart fella!

deftest wrote on Aug 16^th, 2014 at 12:06am:

Wait, what? What are you winning in any MMO? Battles? Quests? Loot? Character levels? More power? Or do you expect some Game Over Thanks For Playing sign at the end of it so that it fits in nicely with your definition of winning?

Rubbinns wrote on Aug 16^th, 2014 at 12:41am:

wow you really are a fuckwit but certainly not undeserving

if thats your defination of winning then nothing the store sells is needed to win ....since ive done all on your list without a single store bought item

its pay for convienance poc, pay for shortcuts pos or some other pithy acronym

is the game becoming filled with needles monetization sure it is..... is it p2w nope not even in the same zipcode

well i guess not entirely true since quests need to bought to "win" them but since some are free i guess you can win on those

The game has some P2W stuff but it's far from full-on P2W.
- we don't have to spend AS/TP to open epic chests
- we don't have to spend AS/TP to be able to wear or wield named/raid/epic items
... and many more things that other games have.

Buying otto's boxes to effectively shorten your playtime will not make you a winner. Past life feats are not "uber roxxor"

5 Foot Step wrote on Aug 16^th, 2014 at 2:53am:

This.

Just thinking out loud but does p2w even matter at all when its so easy to cheat in the game?

deftest wrote on Aug 16^th, 2014 at 1:59am:

Youre a super duper retard. Beyond just normal conventional retards. Who gives a fuk what you did without store items? Was that the topic? Maybe to you p2w = cant be done without store items, but youre retarded, so. You simpleton ass to tongue scraping mouth breather.

This thread amazes me for 2 reasons.

1st how people bother with terms like that in a fucking VIDEO GAME. Pay to win...you pay the game for various reasons , but it is a game versus pre-programmed , with close to zero artificial intelligence PIXELS...and u cry for P2 winning? I'd cry if u managed to lose , pre-historic lifeforms..

2nd I am amazed by the sheer power of will from Dropbear to try and structure a conversation with the people that are starting such thread..../applause.

Cosmetic pets are p2w.

Pretty much the only thing I buy is character slots and storage.  Oh, maybe a teleport wand for pre-UMD teleport scroll levels.  My toons are lazy sometimes... I'm amazed at the people who spend real money on XP stones, AS for items and things to skip the game.  Is it P2W?  No.  You are paying to skip playing, which to me is losing.  I play because I have fun doing it, not to get it done.

¸Ironic or moronic? 

Dear diary, today I learned that you can win DDO other than getting Completionist feat.

While I understand the frustration some people feel about the so-called "P2W" situation, for me (and many, many others) P2W is exclusively the availability of paid gear/buffs/classes/abilities that are simply superior to free ones. There are many browser games where free gear (from dungeons/quests) gives you, say, +10 stat, and paid gear gives you +250 stat, so that one paying character can withstand assault of a dozen F2P characters and don't even break a sweat. This is a prime example of P2W, where you literally pay to win.

If a game has ways to achieve the same power level as a paying customer for a player without paying money, then it's not P2W.

The only 'P2W' elements DDO has are epic destinies and the quest packs. And if you're dedicated enough, even those can be gotten without paying a dime (helluva grind though to get 800 TP for EDs). So, as most games that are labelled 'P2W', DDO is basically "Pay to not grind".

But then again, I do understand the sentiment. Surprised that OP's wrath is more directed at XP stones and not Quest packs, Epic Destinies and Elite difficulty unlock.