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Odin212 Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 32 Joined: Jan 25^th, 2015	Re: New swf wolfie Reply #100 - Jan 30^th, 2015 at 9:41am	Print Post
	couple of questions can i make this build work with 32 pts no tomes and no past lives? why is strength the core stat for this and not dex with finesse, harper int or just wis and use flame blade?


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Teh_Troll Ex Member	Re: New swf wolfie Reply #101 - Jan 30^th, 2015 at 9:46am	Print Post
	Odin212 wrote on Jan 30^th, 2015 at 9:41am: couple of questions can i make this build work with 32 pts no tomes and no past lives? why is strength the core stat for this and not dex with finesse, harper int or just wis and use flame blade? Because strength is easier to attain instead of wasting feats and ap on some crap making it possible to use another stat other than strength. In my opinion any other than strength is a noob trap.


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Odin212 Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 32 Joined: Jan 25^th, 2015	Re: New swf wolfie Reply #102 - Jan 30^th, 2015 at 10:25am	Print Post
	I guess I am having trouble seeing how strength would be better... Strength being easier to attain i can understand but by using it you end up having to put points in more stats. By removing it you have more points to spend on fewer stats. you need 19 dex anyway and with more point in Temp core you get the ability anyway, you could take that one point out of dws which Additionally high dex will give you better reflex save while strength really does not contribute to any survivability not trying to be argumentative but from a new player perspective with limited resources (32 point as apposed to 36 point build and no tomes or gear or past lives) having to distribute my ability scores over less stats seems better.


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Packfan Waterworks Kobold Offline It's personal Posts: 197 Joined: Jul 24^th, 2013	Re: New swf wolfie Reply #103 - Jan 30^th, 2015 at 12:14pm	Print Post
	If you need to sacrifice points in places to meet prereqs then obviously you'll need to lower STR and/or CON to make it work. However, STR is easier to raise for this type of build than any other stat so you'll want to focus on it once you meet your prereqs. I put together a spreadsheet to plan out my builds with different bonuses and such to test how the stats will go, and put them in a character planner so I can see how the enhancements work out. I would suggest doing the latter for any new build you're unfamiliar with so you can see how the feat progression needs to go, figure out your limitations, and set expectations. If you think DEX- or INT-based is better, plan them out and see for yourself. In the case of this build however you'll come back to STR. Also, what do you need 19Dex for? 17 is the magic number for this build.
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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: New swf wolfie Reply #104 - Jan 30^th, 2015 at 11:38pm	Print Post
	Quote: Because strength is easier to attain instead of wasting feats and ap on some crap making it possible to use another stat other than strength. In my opinion any other than strength is a noob trap. Also none of them work in animal form.

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Proudexploiter Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 125 Joined: Oct 8^th, 2013	Re: New swf wolfie Reply #105 - Jan 31^st, 2015 at 8:23am	Print Post
	Hi again. I fucked up the build, cos I took 14 lvl of druid instead of 13. So now I am lvl 1 cleric, 14 druid and 2 ranger :/. Pls any ideas how to save it so I would not be completely useless in epics? (Iconic char) Thx a lot


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OnePercenter Advocatus Diaboli Offline Ants Eat Dead Grasshoppers Posts: 9985 Joined: Dec 4^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: New swf wolfie Reply #106 - Jan 31^st, 2015 at 10:34am	Print Post
	Proudexploiter wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 8:23am: Hi again. I fucked up the build, cos I took 14 lvl of druid instead of 13. So now I am lvl 1 cleric, 14 druid and 2 ranger :/. Pls any ideas how to save it so I would not be completely useless in epics? (Iconic char) Thx a lot Delete and re-roll? LR+1? Suck it up and level to 28?

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Starkjade Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Rogue Scholar Posts: 7082 Location: Canadia Joined: Aug 27^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: New swf wolfie Reply #107 - Jan 31^st, 2015 at 12:58pm	Print Post
	Proudexploiter wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 8:23am: Pls any ideas how to save it so I would not be completely useless in epics? Do epic normal?

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Brac Waterworks Kobold Offline Posts: 128 Joined: Jan 14^th, 2013	Re: New swf wolfie Reply #108 - Jan 31^st, 2015 at 1:27pm	Print Post
	Proudexploiter wrote on Jan 31^st, 2015 at 8:23am: Hi again. I fucked up the build, cos I took 14 lvl of druid instead of 13. So now I am lvl 1 cleric, 14 druid and 2 ranger :/. Pls any ideas how to save it so I would not be completely useless in epics? (Iconic char) Thx a lot You will have to take ITWF where you would have taken GTWF. Basically lose 20% offhand hits. It is not good, but not the end of the world. Plan on TRing again at 28. It will be fine to get you there. This is a high DPS build and even with the error you will be ahead of most puggers.


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fr8o Dragon Raider Offline Posts: 274 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: New swf wolfie Reply #109 - Feb 6^th, 2015 at 4:57am	Print Post
	Have not run a druid really, and already have a Dethek Runestone sitting around, so any good reason not to drop some combination of 2xNatural fighting or one of the metas to fit in Improved Shield Mastery? -4% double strike +10 prr+melee power seems about a wash to me anyways and will allow me to put points into legendary mastery for the twist if I feel inclined.


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: New swf wolfie Reply #110 - Feb 6^th, 2015 at 5:08am	Print Post
	fr8o wrote on Feb 6^th, 2015 at 4:57am: Have not run a druid really, and already have a Dethek Runestone sitting around, so any good reason not to drop some combination of 2xNatural fighting or one of the metas to fit in Improved Shield Mastery? -4% double strike +10 prr+melee power seems about a wash to me anyways and will allow me to put points into legendary mastery for the twist if I feel inclined. That would disable SWF.

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fr8o Dragon Raider Offline Posts: 274 Joined: Mar 17^th, 2014	Re: New swf wolfie Reply #111 - Feb 6^th, 2015 at 3:17pm	Print Post
	Thought it might, had hoped that in wolf form it bugged and ignored your off hand since swf and twf seem to work in conjunction.


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FuckThisShit Abbot Raider Offline Posts: 787 Joined: Jun 18^th, 2014	Re: New swf wolfie Reply #112 - Feb 8^th, 2015 at 8:38pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Feb 6^th, 2015 at 5:08am: That would disable SWF. no it wouldnt, i personally run it without any metas (edit i run quicken) to allow for 3x natural fighting, improved shield mastery, perfect twf and greater swf attack spd 75 and dblstrike 50 with 236 prr at cap
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Scrybe Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 281 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2013	Re: New swf wolfie Reply #113 - Feb 9^th, 2015 at 10:15am	Print Post
	Out of curiosity, isn't Mythic Blazing Sun a better Orb to have over Libram?


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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: New swf wolfie Reply #114 - Feb 9^th, 2015 at 1:14pm	Print Post
	Scrybe wrote on Feb 9^th, 2015 at 10:15am: Out of curiosity, isn't Mythic Blazing Sun a better Orb to have over Libram? Didnt exist when i played around with the build. But yes its better, go for it, the sheltering alone makes it worth


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: New swf wolfie Reply #115 - Feb 10^th, 2015 at 6:10am	Print Post
	FuckThisShit wrote on Feb 8^th, 2015 at 8:38pm: no it wouldnt, i personally run it without any metas (edit i run quicken) to allow for 3x natural fighting, improved shield mastery, perfect twf and greater swf attack spd 75 and dblstrike 50 with 236 prr at cap You get SWF bonuses with a shield equipped? Please share.

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SayWhatAgain Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 236 Joined: Jul 30^th, 2014	Re: New swf wolfie Reply #116 - Feb 10^th, 2015 at 10:44am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Feb 10^th, 2015 at 6:10am: You get SWF bonuses with a shield equipped? Please share. I think there was a misunderstanding and FTS probably meant Orb. I know that a proper shield breaks SWF.
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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: New swf wolfie Reply #117 - Feb 10^th, 2015 at 6:12pm	Print Post
	SayWhatAgain wrote on Feb 10^th, 2015 at 10:44am: I think there was a misunderstanding and FTS probably meant Orb. I know that a proper shield breaks SWF. possible with buckler and bard levels using skirmisher.

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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: New swf wolfie Reply #118 - Feb 11^th, 2015 at 1:42am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Feb 10^th, 2015 at 6:12pm: possible with buckler and bard levels using skirmisher. ...but not Dethek Runestone.

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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: New swf wolfie Reply #119 - Feb 11^th, 2015 at 5:47am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Feb 11^th, 2015 at 1:42am: ...but not Dethek Runestone. No. But will work to bypass swf lockout with a buckler even if not swashbuckling. Only use I could think of would be benefit to wolves.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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FuckThisShit Abbot Raider Offline Posts: 787 Joined: Jun 18^th, 2014	Re: New swf wolfie Reply #120 - Feb 11^th, 2015 at 6:01pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Feb 10^th, 2015 at 6:10am: You get SWF bonuses with a shield equipped? Please share. in that comment i said i have improved shield mastery, not that i use a shield i do in fact use the new devotion orb (it is pretty darn good might i add)


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Scruffy Murphy Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 43 Joined: Nov 2^nd, 2013	Re: New swf wolfie Reply #121 - Feb 12^th, 2015 at 10:21pm	Print Post
	When SWF with and orb, what do you gain with shield mastery and improved Shield mastery? Just the melee power (before legendary SM twist)?


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: New swf wolfie Reply #122 - Feb 13^th, 2015 at 10:41pm	Print Post
	FuckThisShit wrote on Feb 11^th, 2015 at 6:01pm: in that comment i said i have improved shield mastery, not that i use a shield i do in fact use the new devotion orb (it is pretty darn good might i add) In response to me saying that Dethek Runestone would disable SWF.� [sarcasm] That makes sense. [/sarcasm] Also last time I checked, shield mastery stopped working with orbs as of a recent update.
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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: New swf wolfie Reply #123 - Feb 14^th, 2015 at 2:32am	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Feb 13^th, 2015 at 10:41pm: Also last time I checked, shield mastery stopped working with orbs as of a recent update. Legendary.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: New swf wolfie Reply #124 - Feb 14^th, 2015 at 3:30am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Feb 14^th, 2015 at 2:32am: Legendary. Legendary suposedly still works, though I haven't tested.

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